[Imc-communication] Unsubscribe...

[deva]

On May 5, 2005, at 3:58 PM, ana wrote:

> Hi,
>
> this thread begun as a good-bye with a reason. I really feel sad that 
> some one like deja has been effectively (even though it may be claimed 
> that it has not been intentioned) chucked out from the network. How 
> many more were doing work in new-imc and are no longer doing it due to 
> the disgust caused by this action of unsubscribing every one?

Not only is Deja gone, but Kamloops is not a recognized imc even though 
they fulfilled the requirements. Someone also tried to block Deja from 
sponsoring a new imc.


>
> yes, there were 2 emails, one with 'proposal' in the subject. one 
> right before easter holiday, the other during easter holiday. I 
> returned and found out I had been unsubscribed.
>
> bht wrote:
>
>> i was also on the new-imc list and did not receive the last two mails 
>> because i received a list digest and was unsubscribed before i could 
>> receive them.  I think that the counter proposal that is spoken of 
>> was not only unopposed, but also unapproved.  but unopposed=consensus 
>> here.
>
> is it? The fact is, the email with the proposal was long, difficult to 
> read. Maybe that is my fault. But on doing such a proposal - to 
> unsubscribe every one! - surely should have been a more articulate 
> one? with a note saying 'this email is to propose to unsuscribe all of 
> you'?
>
>>
>> and thats a problem
>
> I agree that there is a huge problem going on here. More so because 
> there are now far fewer imc volunteers on that list (not that there 
> were too many before) and new inymedias are finding ever more 
> difficult to find a sponsor.
>
>> the indy version of this seems to throw out the window the idea of 
>> "concerns".  If a proposal isnt liked instead of examining why and 
>> building, make soething different until people dont have a chance to 
>> respond/miss the proposal and that underhanded way can accomplish the 
>> goal desired.
>
> In my opinion, this is what happened with this desubscription issue.

It is also happening with the proposal to officially approve the POU. 
There have been various concerns raised, clarifications asked for etc. 
There has not been a single reply, discussion, etc about those 
concerns. They just fall into the black hole. Who knows, maybe the POU 
will be approved without any discussion.

This same thing happened with Kamloops too. Deja posted a well 
researched email that extensively showed that the raised concern that 
was stopping Kamloops was baseless in relation to a new imc being 
accepted, but it was hardly replied to, and Kamloops slipped into the 
mist. Still nothing is done to rectify the obvious mistake and really, 
the insult given to Kamloops.

Why bother with this whole business? It is opposite of empowering. New 
IMC's should boycott the new-imc process.

regards,
deva
portland imc contributor