[Imc-communication] new-imc: unsubscribing and roll call
clara at ifrik.org
Mon May 9 13:17:09 PDT 2005
I'm not sure how to answer all the mails and claims about the
unsubscription and rollcall on new-imc: by clarifying some wrong facts,
or by concentrating on the bigger issues. I'll try it anyway
1) in contrast to bht's mail: neither libby nor me were list admins when
we started any of the discussion or made proposals. Instead Libby was
given the password to the list by a list admin to put the proposal
into practice herself, instead of asking others to do it.
This kind of giving access instead of keeping a tight controll over
admin accounts is actually where Indymedia is an example for sharing
power instead of keeping it to a few people only.
2) If we want to talk about power abuse: Somebody like ana who just goes
furious and unsubscribes 2 people without explanation is abusing her power.
3) In contrast ana's mail: Everybody was unsubscribed, including Libby
and me. We, as well as anybody, were re-subscribed after we send a roll
call. There are were no exceptions made.
4) There was support for Libby's proposal. Maybe not enough. Maybe we
need to talk about a minimum number/percentage of people who have to
support a proposal before it becomes valid.
In other instances and on other lists, other apparently accepted
proposal were not put into practice because people claimed that there
was not enough support. So we might need to solve this general problem.
However, that might turn into something conceived as bureaucratic.
5) Until a week or so ago, neither Libby or me knew that people who were
on digest mode had not received the last two mails. (We probalby would
have learnt that much faster if people would have stayed calmer instead
of immediately getting angry and accusive.)
We thought we were very clear when we send out two mails as a reminders
just before we unsubscribed everybody. The idea was that this would be
the last mail people would receive directly before the unsubscribe
notification. So that they could/would resubscribe directly again with
the roll call. Quite a few people did so with in the first few hours, so
we assumed it worked.
6) Since we know that some people didn't receive those messages, we
asked for the log from the unsubscribtion so that we can send out
another mail to everybody. I did that the same day that I got the logs.
(please correct me if people who should have got it didn't seem to have
7) It was never our intention to push something through against the
interests of the new-imc working group. It was and is my honest
understanding that the two proposal that were made are different, and
that the second that libby made as a compromise did not include the
points that people objected to.
Libby's proposal was an attempt to solve some of the problems that
were identified by different people on the list. It is not a list purge,
but a general roll call. It was an attempt to move forward in a positive
direction. It was taking up the concerns and objctions raised to my
earlier proposal, and in fact left everything out that others had blocked.
8) It is difficult to write mails when people immediately start shouting
and are apparently deeply distrustful of others and even go as far as
unsubscribing individuals out of revenge. I stopped replying to some
mails with wrongful facts and accusations because I wasn't really sure
how to stay calm about them. On the other hand, maybe it is better to
correct them. Please ask me, if what I'm saying seems to be unclear
love and solidarity
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