[Imc-communication] imc-belgium disaffiliation proposal and where it is heading or isn't heading
strega.is at home.se
Mon May 9 22:22:38 PDT 2005
I am sorry Claudio, I did not mean to hurt you.
My points were that indymedia has been unable to deal with a certain sort of inernal problems, and I do think that _is_ a problem. Especially for the people involved.
My other point is that on the activistscene (at least in Europe) there are a lot of conflicts that could be avoided if people would stop behaving like idiots - we all behave like idiots at times. But doing politics is in my view doing and creating things together, not fighting internally over who is a liberal or classtraitor or whatever...
I am not your enemy. I want to work with you. Really.
From: Claudio <imc_claudio>
To: imc-communication at lists.indymedia.org
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 22:38:23 +0200
Subject: Re: Re: [Imc-communication] imc-belgium disaffiliation proposal and where it is heading or isn't heading
Your mail is nothing like playing the devil's advocate. I don't think
you really know the meaning of the expression.
What you really do is spread FUD: Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Making a
false analogy you repeat the lies and the accusations. That's what you
have been doing since the first mail you sent about this subject to the
You *do* disrespect any blocking imc and specially the volunteers of
imc-be. Even now that de deadline for the block is already past.
I'm really getting sick of this witch-haunt. Specially by people that
have no idea what so ever about the work of the national Belgian imc,
but love to spread lies in the hope something sticks around.
I think we have stayed pretty civil on this matter despite of the
*personal* accusations and lies. Maybe you should do the same.
Thanks for nothing,
Claudio <-- volunteer imc-be speaking on personal title
On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 15:55 +0200, strega wrote:
> hello, with no disrespect to imc-canarias or any belgians aliver or
> dead or not yet born, I would like to play the devil's advocate and
> point out a few glitches in the current system:
> It would be fully possible for me and a handfull of friends to join
> KPML(r) revolution¾ra Kommunistiska Partiet Marxist-Leninisterna ( a
> swedish stalinist party who for instance support North Korea and
> Saddam Hussein), engage with imc-sweden, kick out or harrass anyone
> who is not a member of KPMLr. Install Swedish IMC in the local
> headquarters of KPMLr, spread party-propaganda, hardedit the open
> newswire and not allow any diversity on the site. And when critizism
> is raised I simply call people liars. No matter how many people tell
> their stories of this hypothetic stalinist secretarian imc to the
> international network, I would still run a swedish indymedia-site from
> an url like sweden.indymedia.org for ever after, especially if the US
> americans start getting nightmares of their own US american
> McCarthy-ism (which is fully understandable from their point of view).
> I mean, what kind of proof would the international network require to
> exclude me from the indymedia network? As long as i keep arguing and
> stalling there is always "two sides of the coin". And I won't even
> have to take any critizism seriously. As for mediation; sure, I could
> show up to a few physical meetings, act like a PMS-monster (sry, no
> pun intended) and then I could truthfully argue that "no mediation has
> taken place yet... I want mediation.... later... in four months
> because I am not in office right now and these demands are highly
> undemocratic", and then attend to another meeting or so and keep
> acting like a monster on steroids.
> ...and even if I was excluded from the network, I could still keep the
> site running (from a diffrent url though), complete with a great free
> publishing system along with all the work kept intact in the archive.
> Would that be ok?
> I would also like to ask those imc:s that blocked the
> disaffiliation-proposal to contribute more actively with suggestions
> to how a mediation could be successfully done.
> your humble comrade
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