[Imc-communication] imc-belgium disaffiliation proposal and where it is heading or isn't heading

[strega]

I am sorry Claudio, I did not mean to hurt you.

My points were that indymedia has been unable to deal with a certain sort of inernal problems, and I do think that _is_ a problem. Especially for the people involved.
My other point is that on  the activistscene (at least in Europe) there are a lot of conflicts that could be avoided if people would stop behaving like idiots - we all behave like idiots at times. But doing politics is in my view doing and creating things together, not fighting internally over who is a liberal or classtraitor or whatever...
I am not your enemy. I want to work with you. Really.

/Laila 

-----Original Message-----
From: Claudio <imc_claudio>
To: imc-communication at lists.indymedia.org
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 22:38:23 +0200
Subject: Re: Re: [Imc-communication] imc-belgium disaffiliation proposal and where it is heading or isn't heading

Hi Laila,

Your mail is nothing like playing the devil's advocate. I don't think
you really know the meaning of the expression.

What you really do is spread FUD: Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Making a
false analogy you repeat the lies and the accusations. That's what you
have been doing since the first mail you sent about this subject to the
list.

You *do* disrespect any blocking imc and specially the volunteers of
imc-be. Even now that de deadline for the block is already past.

I'm really getting sick of this witch-haunt. Specially by people that
have no idea what so ever about the work of the national Belgian imc,
but love to spread lies in the hope something sticks around.

I think we have stayed pretty civil on this matter despite of the
*personal* accusations and lies. Maybe you should do the same.

Thanks for nothing,

Claudio <-- volunteer imc-be speaking on personal title

On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 15:55 +0200, strega wrote:
> hello, with no disrespect to imc-canarias or any belgians aliver or
>  dead or not yet born, I would like to play the devil's advocate and
>  point out a few glitches in the current system:
> 
> It would be fully possible for me and a handfull of friends to join
>  KPML(r)  revolution¾ra Kommunistiska Partiet Marxist-Leninisterna ( a
>  swedish stalinist party who for instance support North Korea and
>  Saddam Hussein), engage with imc-sweden, kick out or harrass anyone
>  who is not a member of KPMLr. Install Swedish IMC in the local
>  headquarters of KPMLr, spread party-propaganda, hardedit the open
>  newswire and not allow any diversity on the site. And when critizism
>  is raised I simply call people liars. No matter how many people tell
>  their stories of this hypothetic stalinist secretarian imc to the
>  international network, I would still run a swedish indymedia-site from
>  an url like sweden.indymedia.org for ever after, especially if the US
>  americans start getting nightmares of their own US american
>  McCarthy-ism (which is fully understandable from their point of view).
> I mean, what kind of proof would the international network require to
>  exclude me from the indymedia network? As long as i keep arguing and
>  stalling there is always "two sides of the coin". And I won't even
>  have to take any critizism seriously. As for mediation; sure, I could
>  show up to a few physical meetings, act like a PMS-monster (sry, no
>  pun intended) and then I could truthfully argue that "no mediation has
>  taken place yet... I want mediation.... later... in four months
>  because I am not in office right now and these demands are highly
>  undemocratic", and then attend to another meeting or so and keep
>  acting like a monster on steroids.
> 
> ...and even if I was excluded from the network, I could still keep the
>  site running (from a diffrent url though), complete with a great free
>  publishing system along with all the work kept intact in the archive.
> 
> Would that be ok?
> 
> 
> I would also like to ask those imc:s that blocked the
>  disaffiliation-proposal to contribute more actively with suggestions
>  to how a mediation could be successfully done.
> 
> your humble comrade
> 
> 
> /Laila
> 


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