[Imc-communication] imc-belgium disaffiliation proposal and where it is heading or isn't heading
EPaulus at Antwerpen.be
Wed May 11 22:57:29 PDT 2005
Chekov Feeney schreef op 12-5-2005 1:23:
> If one or other of the sides is largely telling the truth, then we
> should take sanctions against, and mediation is not appropriate or
> From a careful examination of the facts, it is very clear to me that
> the .be collective is run by an ultra-authoritarian sect, a sect
> whose principles are so repugnant to the principles of indymedia
> that it is almost beyond belief. The indymedia office is housed in
> the offices of this sect, who proclaim that "stalin was the greatest
> personality of the 20th century, the greatest political genius".
> Unless there is an extremely improbably reversal of this situation,
> I fully support disafilliation.
The WPB is not a sect but a politcal party, for the Antwerp police
extreme but in reality not more extreme than the 1000 other servants
of kapital and goverment. Their office is not The offices of the party
but there is 'only' a mix of property and money between organisations
made to support the party and Indymedia Belgium, also just like all
political groups do.
Being in a sect is no crime, and playing the weird political game is
it even less.
But it is a crime even for Belgium law, to cheat people whith selling
a independent media for the intrest of something else. When it is no
politic party someone could go to prison up to a year or 10, when you
are a party you get paid by the goverment and called a representative.
That is just how democratics work in Belgium and in all world and all
But the real question is not of this political system is good or bad,
the question is of Indymedia as network accept that whe are used in
that system to glory and honour of the freedom, democracy and the
euro, the most beautifull money on the world.
Or are whe so bad that whe refuse it?
No one loves us when whe speak against freedom of coruption, whe are
terrorist if whe are against democratic partners and the worst sinner
on earth equal to the devil or worse if whe see a prisson on the euro.
Thus why schould whe do that?
Whe havn't even a God or book to give as explaination.
> Unfortunately, it seems that the widespread agreement among European
> Indymedias on this matter has been irreversibly blocked at this
> stage and thus disafilliation is not an option at the moment.
The blocking is not by an European IMC but from Africa and United
States but most important it is a blocking not a refusal.
It should be removed and changed to agreement, refusal or neutral when
the IMC in question have information enough so that their problem is
solved. Maybe some people think that blocking is a way of diplomatic
support of what could not be supported, but that is not the way it works.
The block of Cleveland is until there is proof enough that IMC be is
doing what IMC Liege said and is no inquisition (for european people)
or McCartherism (for the VS) against another opinion. (or clearout in
A simmilar block exists from others.
Sorry for all of you who are bored to hear time after time the same
story of coruption, but that is the only way that proof can be given.
Not clearly expressed but it looks to me that there is also a fear to
disallifate, and that is a fear who should be otherwise Indymedia do
the wrong thing. But fear is not a valid motifation for do nothing. As
eq when you don't like disaffilation there are other ways to react,
the Indymedia speciality is bring news what someone did wrong. But the
only way the network know is disaffilation or keep sillent.
I wrote it several times and IMC process blocks me because they don't
The IMC Antwerp collective isn't agree with the IMC Belgium coruption
just like IMC Liege, the WPB is even mostly of all an Antwerp party,
the only advocate i pay once is from their party, their doctor told me
once that my wife was pregant of a lovley daughter and their founder
is a nice guy, the only Belgium politician in 40 years who not run
away from me.
I have no motivation at all to destroy that party and loves what i can
related to my city, and a simmilar thing exists in the complete
But whe also don't like to be used as part of or be connected to
coruption, cheating and discrimination.
Not because our God told us, the most of us don't even believe in one,
not a Marx-god and no other.
But because it is a real question of beeing alive or death, not of a
electronic thing but of people of flesh and blood, fathers, wifes,
sons, daughters killed just because the politic is more important than
Not even killed to become rich or get something just killed because
the politics couldn't use them.
Whe don't whish that Han or someone else of IMC be hang himself or get
an hart-attack, thus if someone have a sollution to stop IMC be acting
like their own devils pleeeeeaaase use it.
Otherwise disaffilate Indymedia Belgium or you kill people.
Emmanuel, liason Indymedia Antwerpen
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