[Imc] Re: [Imc-communication] (no subject)
Zachary C. Miller
zach at chambana.net
Sat May 21 00:41:37 PDT 2005
I want to make sure it is clear to folks reading this email list that
the UC-IMC is currently engaged in an internal dialog/process to deal
with this issue of how we talk about our fiscal sponsorship.
We have not yet reached consensus on this issue but we have recognized
that there is a problem. We have recognized that the language we have
used has caused conflict with other IMC activists (locally and
globally) such as those who are writing to this list, and that we do
want to resolve that conflict.
Right now any of our members that you hear from (including myself) are
speaking for themselves only. Since our members currently have
disagreements about this issue you will hear several different things
from us. I hope you can have a little patience in allowing us to
figure out what our organizational response is and do not take the
words of UC-IMC members to be the position of our organization.
Right now the position of our organization is that we are aware that
there is a conflict and we are actively engaged in an internal
discussion to attempt to address our role in that conflict.
I am the facilitator of the internal discussion and I promise you all
that I will take all of your comments/demands/suggestions to the group
to make sure they are considered.
cyrus x wrote:
> The statement still was made, and is still available on the website
> for download as an audio file. I think it is reasonable to request
> the speaker take responsibility for what was said, and take
> responsibility for correcting it publicly.
> I do not agree with the casting of this situation as a singular,
> "off-the-cuff" matter. This particular statement is only one of many
> that have occurred over a span of years. Were it not, it would not be
> the catalyst for the discussion that is now taking place. This
> discussion should not be minimized. It should be explored and I hope
> the uc-imc can learn and grow from it.
> these are my thoughts
> On 5/20/05, Mike Lehman <rebelmike at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > hola.
> > My Spanish is probably far worse than your bad English, so I must
> > apologize for not providing a translation.
> > The statement that is in dispute came as a response to a question at a
> > press conference at the new IMC building. It was an "off-the-cuff" reply
> > by Sascha when he was being questioned by press in attendance.
> > The only semi-official statement that day was made by Sascha, simply a
> > lengthy series of thank-yous to supporters of the project, as well as a
> > short history of how we managed the project, on behalf of the
> > negotiating team I presume. You can read the actual text of that
> > statement and see for yourself that it does _not_ include a reference to
> > the statement in dispute here:
> > http://www.ucimc.org/newswire/display/34862/index.php
> > The original article the comment is attached to is at:
> > http://www.ucimc.org/feature/display/34385/index.php
> > Having been at the press conference personally, the text provided by
> > Sascha closely follows what he actually said, prior to the beginning of
> > the question and answer period after his reading of the statement.
> > The disputed statement was made then in response to a question from an
> > IMC reporter about UC IMC's role in acting as a fiscal sponsor for a
> > number of IMC-related projects.
> > My own opinion, as I hinted in my initial email, is that Sascha's
> > response was short and badly articulated in a manner that invited
> > confusion. Taking it out of the context in which it was made further
> > confused the issues and led to the misunderstandings we face now.
> > But in my opinion it was an unplanned remark, unfortunately worded, and
> > -- based on comments made by other UC IMC members at last night's
> > meeting -- the interpretations being offered for what it means by those
> > concerned about it do not represent the way the UC IMC views its
> > responsibilities and obligations to the IMC-related projects it supports.
> > That's all we do -- we help implement the decisions made by a variety of
> > IMC-related groups and projects. Specifically, each project makes
> > autonomous decisions and we serve them as requested. As far as I am
> > aware of, the UC IMC explicitly avoids involvement in the decisionmaking
> > process of the autonomous projects we serve.
> > Mike Lehman
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