[Imc-communication] Stop the badgering

[Kimci]

not sent to oceania list as I am blocked from that list as are others who have argued with the list maintainers. Internal activism for reform by small IMCs is actively suppressed in Oceania. Don't be a sheep and follow the mob. We have the right to be agitators as is shown by the frequent delistings to come from this troubled regional group.

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Nice ammendment Danyl. It doesn't address the issue of scapegoating which would make any squeaky wheel paranoid but its a good start. I assume you also wan't Brisbane indymedia to be relisted on the same basis?

The problems that Mick is complaining about are only with Oceania and groups within it that host other groups. The principles of unity don't mention regional groups such as Oceania. It seems obvious to me that
Mick should be asked to have nothing to do with oceania and just be another autonomous indymedia. Two Darwin indymedias is the solution recommended in the POU. They could be listed as Darwin xxx and Darwin yyy. I'm sure they could agree to different suffixes.

You will of course notice that the POU talks about autonomy. Unity isn't itself a principle. Autonomy is good for diversity. If groups don't want to work together but regional bodies force them to yoou
wind up with  the  conflicts  found with Brisbane Darwin and Manilla.
Oceania has had a habit of  taking over these  groups  and/or censoring  them.  That sort of majority rule /  persecution of  single groups really should stop.

Autonomy. Autonomy. Autonomy.

Stop the badgering on all sides. Seperate and deescalate...
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Ammendment Danyl de Niza. No trata la aplicación scapegoating que haría a cualquier paranoico lsqueaky de la rueda pero su un buen comienzo. ¿Asumo que usted también indymedia de Brisbane del wan't a ser relisted sobre la misma base? Los problemas de que se está
quejando Mick alrededor están solamente con Oceanía y los grupos dentro de ella que anfitrión otros grupos. Los principios de la unidad no mencionan grupos regionales tales como Oceanía. Se parece obvia a
mí que Mick se debe pedir para no tener nada hacer con Oceanía y apenas ser otro indymedia autónomo. Dos indymedias de Darwin son la solución recomendada en el POU. Podían ser enumerados como Darwin xxx y Darwin yyy. Soy seguro que podrían convenir diversos sufijos. Usted por supuesto notará que el POU habla de la autonomía. La unidad no es sí mismo un principio. La autonomía es buena para la diversidad. Si los grupos no desean trabajar juntos pero los cuerpos regionales los
fuerzan al viento del yoou para arriba con los  conflictos encontrados
con Brisbane Darwin y Manilla. Oceanía ha tenido un hábito de asumir el control a estos grupos y/o de censurarlos. Que la clase de regla de la mayoría/de persecución de solos grupos realmente debe parar.
Autonomía. Autonomía. Autonomía. Pare acosar en todos los lados.
Seperate y deescalate...
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On 24/08/06, Danyl Strype <strypey at riseup.net> wrote:

    Kia ora koutou

    Looking at the reactions Asher and I got from Mick I have no problem
    agreeing that he is completely unreasonable and suffering from
    something of a paranoid persecution complex.

    "Any collective wishing to call itself Darwin Indymedia would
    therefore require, as part of it's constitution, to exclude this
    individual and would automatically
    forfeit it's place as an IMC if he were ever to become a member."

    I think it would be reasonable to request (or even insist) that he not
    be a spokesperson for Darwin IMC in communications with the rest of
    the network. However I don't think it's for us to tell the rest of the
    Darwin IMC who to have in their collective. What about the principle
    of voluntary association?

    Can I offer a modified proposal?

    "Because of his history of unreasonable and abusive communications,
    Mick Lambe is not welcome to be a spokesperson on behalf of any
    collective affiliated with the Global IMC network for [x] years (x =
    2, 5, 10?). Any collective wishing to call itself Darwin Indymedia is
    required to provide spokespeople other than Mick Lambe to regional and
    global lists as per the Membership Criteria. Any collective allowing
    Mick Lambe to speak on their behalf during this time period would
    automatically forfeit it's place as an IMC.

    I will cc this to the Oceania list but I assume we have a spokes on
    the IMC-Oceania? Please keep us informed as the discussion progresses.

    RnB
    Strypes