[Imc-communication] Stop the badgering

[Kimci]

What didn't you understand Pina?

The wiki was set up by people fighting Brisbane with the whole of 'their side' of the story. The winners write the history. They then lock the wiki pages so their side gets all the front pages. In brisbanes case it then linked brisbane.indymedia.org to those pages.

Instead, the resolve wiki should be used to develop a statement of basic agreement between conflicting sides. This should then be the conflict's front page.

They have enough people to wear out those who object to their actions with constant arguing. When that doesn't work they blame the victim for complaining and ask the NIMC to delist them.

Oceania refuses to take part in conflict resolution itself. It decides some cities are disfunctional and either tries to force them into conflict resolution internally or it shuts them down. What it should do is kick them out of Oceania not the NIMC. It is a principle of indymedia that groups should split but Oceania insist on groups obeying it.

Many small IMCs in Oceania are being shutdown by the big cities if they argue about the actions of their site hosts. Becasue the NIMC

If you are lost then you should you block the delisting until you can understand.

On 25/08/06, pina at riseup.net <pina at riseup.net> wrote:


    OK, now i'm officially lost in all this.

    Can we please get a background on this conflit. I remember when we face
    belgium and brisbane disfilition, ppl set up wikis with the intire story.

    Kimci i read your email, and i'm not sure if it is my english abilities
    that are too bad or if it's the lack of information, but i understood
    nothing.

    Also the email send by the melbourne imc was too lacking of info.

    cio pina
    imc brasil

    PS: maybe is time that we all set together and talk about that
    disfiliation process, maybe this could be one of the things to be
    discussed in the irc gathering?

    > not sent to oceania list as I am blocked from that list as are others who
    > have argued with the list maintainers. Internal activism for reform by
    > small IMCs is actively suppressed in Oceania. Don't be a sheep and follow
    > the mob. We have the right to be agitators as is shown by the frequent
    > delistings to come from this troubled regional group.
    >
    > ================================
    > Nice ammendment Danyl. It doesn't address the issue of scapegoating which
    > would make any squeaky wheel paranoid but its a good start. I assume you
    > also wan't Brisbane indymedia to be relisted on the same basis?
    >
    > The problems that Mick is complaining about are only with Oceania and
    > groups within it that host other groups. The principles of unity don't
    > mention regional groups such as Oceania. It seems obvious to me that
    > Mick should be asked to have nothing to do with oceania and just be
    > another autonomous indymedia. Two Darwin indymedias is the solution
    > recommended in the POU. They could be listed as Darwin xxx and Darwin yyy.
    > I'm sure they could agree to different suffixes.
    >
    > You will of course notice that the POU talks about autonomy. Unity isn't
    > itself a principle. Autonomy is good for diversity. If groups don't want
    > to work together but regional bodies force them to yoou
    > wind up with  the  conflicts  found with Brisbane Darwin and Manilla.
    > Oceania has had a habit of  taking over these  groups  and/or censoring
    > them.  That sort of majority rule /  persecution of  single groups really
    > should stop.
    >
    > Autonomy. Autonomy. Autonomy.
    >
    > Stop the badgering on all sides. Seperate and deescalate...
    > ==========================================================
    > Espanol
    > Ammendment Danyl de Niza. No trata la aplicación scapegoating que haría
    > a cualquier paranoico lsqueaky de la rueda pero su un buen comienzo.
    > ¿Asumo que usted también indymedia de Brisbane del wan't a ser relisted
    > sobre la misma base? Los problemas de que se está
    > quejando Mick alrededor están solamente con Oceanía y los grupos dentro
    > de ella que anfitrión otros grupos. Los principios de la unidad no
    > mencionan grupos regionales tales como Oceanía. Se parece obvia a
    > mí que Mick se debe pedir para no tener nada hacer con Oceanía y apenas
    > ser otro indymedia autónomo. Dos indymedias de Darwin son la solución
    > recomendada en el POU. Podían ser enumerados como Darwin xxx y Darwin
    > yyy. Soy seguro que podrían convenir diversos sufijos. Usted por supuesto
    > notará que el POU habla de la autonomía. La unidad no es sí mismo un
    > principio. La autonomía es buena para la diversidad. Si los grupos no
    > desean trabajar juntos pero los cuerpos regionales los
    > fuerzan al viento del yoou para arriba con los  conflictos encontrados
    > con Brisbane Darwin y Manilla. Oceanía ha tenido un hábito de asumir el
    > control a estos grupos y/o de censurarlos. Que la clase de regla de la
    > mayoría/de persecución de solos grupos realmente debe parar.
    > Autonomía. Autonomía. Autonomía. Pare acosar en todos los lados.
    > Seperate y deescalate...
    > ========================================================
    >
    > On 24/08/06, Danyl Strype <strypey at riseup.net> wrote:
    >
    >     Kia ora koutou
    >
    >     Looking at the reactions Asher and I got from Mick I have no problem
    >     agreeing that he is completely unreasonable and suffering from
    >     something of a paranoid persecution complex.
    >
    >     "Any collective wishing to call itself Darwin Indymedia would
    >     therefore require, as part of it's constitution, to exclude this
    >     individual and would automatically
    >     forfeit it's place as an IMC if he were ever to become a member."
    >
    >     I think it would be reasonable to request (or even insist) that he not
    >     be a spokesperson for Darwin IMC in communications with the rest of
    >     the network. However I don't think it's for us to tell the rest of the
    >     Darwin IMC who to have in their collective. What about the principle
    >     of voluntary association?
    >
    >     Can I offer a modified proposal?
    >
    >     "Because of his history of unreasonable and abusive communications,
    >     Mick Lambe is not welcome to be a spokesperson on behalf of any
    >     collective affiliated with the Global IMC network for [x] years (x =
    >     2, 5, 10?). Any collective wishing to call itself Darwin Indymedia is
    >     required to provide spokespeople other than Mick Lambe to regional and
    >     global lists as per the Membership Criteria. Any collective allowing
    >     Mick Lambe to speak on their behalf during this time period would
    >     automatically forfeit it's place as an IMC.
    >
    >     I will cc this to the Oceania list but I assume we have a spokes on
    >     the IMC-Oceania? Please keep us informed as the discussion progresses.
    >
    >     RnB
    >     Strypes
    >
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