[Imc-communication] thing that make me hate indymedia

Libertinus libertinus at riseup.net
Wed Aug 30 20:55:59 PDT 2006

Thanx you for your agresive email.

Most of the regions of this world we have better word for voluntaries.  
In spanish word is "militancia".

You have lots of different media collectives to make money or for get  
a political correct job. Lots of pay independet media work with  

But Indymedia is other thing, is about "militancia", was about... of  
course, was it.

About alternative media, about independent media. About grassroot  
media, about activist media... is about direct action.

This is not just a ideology thing. Its a cultural thing. Your country  
is full of  "community organizers" and all kind of capitalist way of  
make desideology voluntaries. Where the richs use for don't pay taxes.

Of course, the Indymedia network have the hole that permit this kind  
of mutant indymedia. Of course is imposible to kickoff out the  
network. But I have the right and this place to say fuck off.

Como decia Kortatu.
"Tu, maldito burgués, nunca vas a entender nada."
Hi burgues mandarikatua ez duzu inoiz

This kind of thing make the network non horizontal, create VIP collectives.
Ask the techies, most of them work hard all the day, without see any  
$$$$$, to make this network work.

Ask the third world collectives, I dont know any of them that member  
recive money for make indy things happen.

ok, I not being good boy today. sorry, fuck off.

Have a nice day.

Libertinus ______________________

Quoting Todd Wolfson <twolfson1998 at yahoo.com>:

> I would love to understand how many poor people and people of a working
> class background you expect to recruit into the movement with this
> fundamentalist ideology? This is precisely the reason that indymedia is
> a WHITE upper-middle class movement.
> Is this a political movement that expects to challenge capitalism
> because of its fundamentally destructive nature to the poor of this
> world, and therefore moves forward strategically in order to politically
> challenge the elite class that control this country and 90% of the
> world's capital, or is this an upper middle class project that strives
> for false purity and enables us to feel good about ourselves without
> actually entangling with the dirt and muck of the real political world.
> I support paying staff and building a movement that challenges capital.
> Money, or more appropriately the sustenance that money affords through
> hard work in itself is not bad, and working for money is not bad--it is
> simply a truth of our times. I do not agree however, that staff should
> make a great deal of money but people have to eat.
> Todd
> Philly IMC
> nick wrote:
>> [es] abajo
>> [en] Some history about this...
>> Many IMCs have language calling the network "an all volunteer
>> collective" in their information pages.  But, this is incorrect, as a
>> few collectives have paid staff.
>> Houston proposal:
>> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-October/1007-rt.html
>> info from NYC:
>> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-October/1007-ug.html
>> info from UCIMC:
>> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-October/1007-yn.html
>> Netherlands adopts the proposal:
>> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-November/1120-5o.html
>> Santa Cruz adopts the proposal:
>> http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/33877.php
>> "all volunteer collectives"
>> SF Bay: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2003/12/15/16659011.php
>> San Diego:  http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/static/participate.shtml
>> Columbus: http://cbusimc.org/
>> ----------------
>> [es]
>> Alguna historia sobre esto...
>> Muchos CMIs tiene palabras declarando la red de todos voluntarios, en
>> sus páginas de la información.  Pero, esto es incorrecto, pues algunos
>> collectives tienen personal pagado.
>> Propuesta de Houston:
>> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-October/1007-rt.html
>> Info de NYC:    
>> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-October/1007-ug.html
>> Info de UCIMC:
>> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-October/1007-yn.html
>> Países Bajos adoptan:
>> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-November/1120-5o.html
>> Santa  Cruz adopta:
>> http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/33877.php
>> "collectives de todos voluntarios"
>> SF Bay:
>> http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2003/12/15/16659011.php
>> San Diego:
>> http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/static/participate.shtml
>> Columbus:
>> http://cbusimc.org/
>> ------------------

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