[Imc-communication] IMC Book Project
Susan Chenelle
srcnyc at bway.net
Sun Jun 18 12:42:05 PDT 2006
Hi everyone,
Thanks to Alster for summing all of this up! And thanks to everyone for
the suggestions and interest so far. We are absolutely taking everyone's
concerns into consideration, and we are working to get clarification on
the rights issue from Disinfo, so we will respond more thorougly on this
list and on imc-license (since it seems that's where the main discussions
of the project have taken place), and to individuals as soon as we can,
hopefully within the next week.
Thanks again to everyone for the constructive suggestions and support! It
is very much appreciated.
Susan
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> Hi Sheri!
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> sheri at speakeasy.org wrote:
>> hi alster,
>> perhaps i missed the email with the questions
>> but could you send the questions as well,
>> for transparency sake?
>> love
>> sheri
>
> Sure. I was thinking that reading the responses to the announcement
email on the imc-communication list would be enough, and there were just
three so I was thinking there would be no need to sum them up. But I can
do so, of course, it will likely make things easier, that's right.
>
> In my last email, I wrote that it is my conception that both direct and
indirect questions were asked about the book project. Some of what's
written below are rather concerns than questions, or concerns expressed
in the form of a question.
>
>
>
>
> Here's the direct questions I've read so far in response to the
> announcement by the editorial group, listed chronologically:
>
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> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/mmid/imc-communication/2006-0604-ih
>
> Anna asks:
> [1] i noticed that the book project is using a gmail-account - have you
considered changing that to something like nyc-bookproject at indymedia.org
(i think you are aware that there have been other book projects before?
>
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> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/mmid/imc-communication/2006-0605-0t
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> Toya asks:
>
> [1] How much it will be the cost of the book for the people from the
third
> world countries. USA dollar is 2.5 reais so a book for 12 dolars will
cost
> here in brasil something around 25 reais, plus shipping. 25 reais is a
high cost for us, books from anarchist or independent publishers are
sell
> here for around 10/15 the most. I understand that the book will generate
fund for the global network. But do people from the global south have to
pay the + $4 dolares which will go for the imc fund? Can it be sell by
the
> price it costs to be made? $7.50 dolares (or something around it right?)
>
> [2] I am also wondering about the payenment for the photos taken by
photografers from the global south. Is this a proposal that the IMC Book
Project is sending to them or is this already what the collective have
decide? I am just wondering if it was a word, a request, from the
photografers themself from the global south or what the people from the
book project believe it would be the best?
>
> [3] About the email...Well, it is just a suggestion, but why not use an
email
> service from the activist network which already help imcs activists?
such
> as resist, riseup, inventati?
>
> (This is pretty similar to Anna's question.)
>
> [4] Besides it wouldnt be great to have a server that follows the same
ideas
> as we do hosting our email address? ;) Just another suggestion...
>
> [5] Finally, which license will be book be release? I believe such work
should
> go under GPL documents license. But this is my personal opinion, I would
have to check the rest of brasil network about it, but since we (as a
network) try to support and use software, books, media production in
licenses.
>
>
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> What I consider indirect questions (this is, of course, a matter of
personal interpretation) is the following. I don't think that questions
put in an indirect way demand for an answer, as much as direct ones do,
but leave it to the recipient to decide whether or not they answer them.
Of course, the recipient is always free in what they do or do not do,
I'm just describing a partial aspect of my personal conception of
communication here.
>
>
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/mmid/imc-communication/2006-0603-54
>
> Libertinus writes:
>
> [1] Recuerden no cometer el error de poner "publicado por indymedia" o
cualquier cosa que vincule directamente la red con la autor?a del libro.
>
> I (Alster) believe this means something like "please make sure you do
not put 'published by Indymedia' on the book".
>
>
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> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/mmid/imc-communication/2006-0605-0t
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> Toya writes:
>
> [1] I would like to suggest a point at the:
> IV. Indymedia in Action: Potential Case Studies
> (she, however, says she will send a separate email on this editorial topic)
>
>
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> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/mmid/imc-communication/2006-0605-w5
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> Alster writes:
>
> [1] Generally, if I was to choose, I would prefer books on Indymedia
being
> produced on more open terms. Terms providing the editors the opportunity
to retain copyright and the ability to republish the book contents both
under an open license, and for free. To all of those who cannot pay even
the reduced price as this would still equal their daily or weekly
income, this would be the only way to gain access to such books, too.
>
> [2] My interpretation of what you wrote on the legal terms makes me
think
> that, for this book, (re-)publishing its contents in terms of an open
license (for money or not) or for free (under an open or proprietary
license) will both not be possible.
>
> [3] [..] it should be kept in mind that not every possible contributor
will support books published under such terms, and many possible
contributors will be difficult to reach for licensing negotiations, and
thus, such books will end up containing much less of the colorful,
wonderful, sad and enticing stories, reports, photos and drawings
Indymedia activists around the world would prefer to contribute to a
work which is made for everyone.
>
> [4] It would be nice to be able to learn a bit more about the
> considerations and negotiations you made in the long planning phase you
have now finished. Such information could help others considering to do
the same thing in making an educated guess in what they can expect when
talking to non-commercial and commercial publishers and how to prepare
for it.
>
> [5] [..] Because of these many, many different interpretations of what
Indymedia
> is and is not, and because of even more different views on virtually any
topic, it is easy to create printed works which contain ideas which are
not consented nor accepted by some or even many IMC activists, which may
result in the written work to receive bad coverage.
>
> To prevent this, in my opinion, it would be good to make sure that the
resulting work nor the editorial team will not give itself an image, by
text, imagery, or other, of
> - - being in any way 'officially' approved (in respect to contents) - -
being *the* (one and only) indymedia book
> - - having been written by a representative collection of IMC activists
- - providing full coverage on Indymedia history
> - - considering Indymedia anything else but a project run by many
individual hearts, minds and hands
>
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>
>
>
> In addition to the above questions and concerns, there was also
> discussion on the IMC book project on the 'imc-license' mailing list. It
does not seem like anyone has yet made the book editors aware of it, so
they could hardly reply to this thread, yet. However, they might like to
read this thread as well, and possibly respond to it, too. I'm
> mentioning this as I'd like to prevent to end up with two or more groups
having adversary opinions on the book project, which could be bad for
the book in the end.
>
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-license/2006-June/thread.html
>
>
> I think this sums it all up quite well. Of course, I'm not assuming that
everyone who replied to the announcement is expecting all of these
questions and statements to be replied to. As with every letter, it is
solely up to the recipients to decide on what is replied to and what
not. So, please don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for a reply to happen
quickly, I'm by all means not even asking replies at all, but I'm
wondering whether there will be any, now that one week has passed and a
few people have made suggestions and partially also raised concerns.
>
> I'll respond to Susan's email seperately shortly.
>
> Thanks for reading,
>
> Alster
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