[Imc-communication] VIRGINIA BEACH (disaffiliation proposal passed)

[Jay]

Indymedia,

After a three week period for discussion there was support for=20
disaffiliating the Virginia Beach IMC and no objections to the=20
proposal.  So, we can now take Virginia Beach off the cities list.

Despu=E9s de que un per=EDodo de tres semanas para la discusi=F3n all=ED=
  fuera=20
ayuda para disaffiliating Virginia Beach y ningunas objeciones a la=20
oferta.  As=ED pues, podemos ahora tomar Virginia Beach de la lista de las=
=20
ciudades.

Jay

***
[Original English text below.  Spanish translation by imc translation=
  group.]

PROPUESTA: IMC Virginia Beach (desafiliaci=F3n -- fecha l=EDmite propuesta,=
=20
June 20, 15:00 GMT)

RESUMEN: Propuesta para quitar formalmente al IMC de Virginia Beach, US, de=
=20
la lista de ciudades de indymedia debido a inexactitudes, intencionadas o=20
no, en su solicitud de nuevo imc, y por la falta de un colectivo activo.=20
Esta propuesta ha pasado a trav=E9s del grupo de trabajo new-imc.

LA HISTORIA
Jim de Virginia Beach, Virginia, en EEUU, afirmando representar a un=20
peque=F1o pero funcional colectivo IMC en su ciudad, contact=F3 con el grupo=
  de=20
trabajo new-imc en octubre de 2005 para que se pusiera a su grupo en la=20
lista de ciudades de indymedia=20
(http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2005-October/1019-2f.html).=20
Yo (Jay del grupo de trabajo new-imc) acept=E9 ayudarlos en el proceso de=20
nuevo imc. Jim describi=F3 a su colectivo como un grupo unido de activistas=
=20
que se han estado organizando juntos en su ciudad durante bastante tiempo.=
=20
Le envi=E9 los principios de unidad y los criterios de pertenencia,=20
intercambiamos muchos correos electr=F3nicos y habl=E9 con =E9l varias veces=
  por=20
tel=E9fono a medida que avanzaba el proceso de nuevo imc. "El VA Beach=20
collective" acept=F3 todos los principios y respond=EDa al criterio de=20
pertenencia. Tambi=E9n respondieron satisfactoriamente a mis tres=
  sugerencias=20
principales:

--Inicialmente no ten=EDan pol=EDtica editorial. Les dije que necesitaban=
  una=20
y, tras reunirse supuestamente varias veces con el colectivo, Jim envi=F3=
  una=20
muy detallada.

--no ten=EDan una lista de correo p=FAblica, aunque Jim dec=EDa que sus=
  reuniones=20
eran p=FAblicas. Jim me dijo que este grupo no sol=EDa comunicarse por=
  correo=20
electr=F3nico, pero s=ED lo hac=EDa regularmente en persona. Le dije que no=
=20
ten=EDan porque hacer todas sus comunicaciones p=FAblicas pero realmente=
  ten=EDan=20
que asegurarse de abrir el colectivo a la comunidad. Para hacerlo, le dije=
=20
que deber=EDan sin duda tener una lista de correo abierta, como m=EDnimo=
  para=20
publicar las actas de la asamblea. Pasado un tiempo Jim dijo que el=20
colectivo acept=F3 crear una lista como parte de su entrada en la red.

--Le suger=ED que deber=EDan encontrar otro IMC de la regi=F3n que les=
  apoyara,=20
preferiblemente el IMC de Richmond o el IMC de Carolina del Norte. Durante=
=20
varias semanas Jim afirmaba estar intentando contactar con ellos sin=20
recibir respuesta. Yo tambi=E9n escrib=ED a gente que conoc=EDa de esos=
  lugares=20
pero tampoco recib=ED respuesta. Por eso, en lugar de aplazarlo=20
indefinidamente en espera de que los apoyara otro IMC, acept=E9 transmitir=
  su=20
informaci=F3n a la lista new-imc, e hice Su petici=F3n=20
[http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2005-November/1123-6l.html]=20
que pas=F3 por la lista new-imc e imc-process sin objecciones. Entraron en=
  la=20
red el 1 de diciembre de 2005.

Desde la fecha, se han aclarado los siguientes hechos:
-- Jim ha registrado el IMC de Virginia Beach como una corporaci=F3n con=20
=E1nimo de lucro en el Estado de Virgina, violando claramente los principios=
=20
de unidad.

-- por lo que yo s=E9, el VA Beach IMC nunca abri=F3 la lista p=FAblica de=
  correo=20
como hab=EDa prometido.

-- Actualmente no parece haber ning=FAn colectivo funcionando en VA Beach.=
  El=20
VA Beach IMC no parece haber actualizado su sitio web=20
(http://www.vbindymedia.org/) desde que fue a=F1adido a la lista de=
  ciudades.=20
Parece haber sido ya eliminado de la lista de ciudades, al menos en=20
www.indymedia.org.

Mientras el VA Beach IMC pasaba por el proceso de nuevo imc, un grupo de=20
IMC llamado Hampton Roads IMC, que cubre aproximadamente la misma =E1rea=20
geogr=E1fica, se estaba organizando activamente. Ya ha sido aprobado como=20
nuevo IMC=20
[http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2006-March/0324-6n.html].=
=20
En ning=FAn momento Jim me dijo que hab=EDa otro IMC organiz=E1ndose en la=
=20
regi=F3n. Ahora s=E9 que Jim estuvo en varias de las asambleas del IMC=
  Hampton=20
Roads y dej=F3 la organizaci=F3n varios meses antes de realizar la petici=F3=
n a=20
Indymedia como Virginia Beach IMC.
(Hampton Roads no contact=F3 con el grupo de trabajo new-imc hasta que vi=F3=
  VA=20
Beach en la lista de ciudades.)

-- Varios correos electr=F3nicos y mensajes de tel=E9fone a Jim est=E1n sin=
=20
responder.

Propuesta: Por estos motivos, el grupo de trabajo new-imc propone que el=20
IMC de Virginia Beach sea eliminado de la lista de ciudades.

***

PROPOSAL:
Virginia Beach IMC (disaffiliation -- proposed decision deadline, June 20,=
=20
15:00 GMT)

SUMMARY: A proposal to formally take the Virginia Beach, US IMC off the=20
Indymedia cities list because of inaccuracies, intentional or otherwise, in=
=20
its new-imc application, and the lack of a functioning collective. This=20
proposal has passed through the new-imc working group.

THE STORY:
Jim of Virginia Beach, Virginia, in the US, claiming to represent a small=20
but functional IMC collective in his town, contacted the new-imc working=20
group in October 2005 to try to get their group on the Indymedia cities=20
list=20
(http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2005-October/1019-2f.html). I=
=20
(Jay from the new-imc working group) agreed to help them through the=20
new-imc process. Jim represented his collective as a close-knit group of=20
activists that had been organizing together in their city for a long time.=
=20
I sent him the principles of unity and membership criteria, e-mailed=20
extensively with him and talked with him several times on the phone as the=
=20
IMC went through the process. "The VA Beach collective" agreed to all the=20
principles and replied to the membership criteria. They also responded to=20
my satisfaction to my three main suggestions:

-- they originally did not have an editorial policy. I said they needed one=
=20
and, after supposedly meeting extensively with the collective, Jim sent a=20
rather detailed one.

-- they did not have a public e-mail list, though Jim said their meetings=20
were public. Jim told me this group did not communicate over e-mail, but=20
reguarly in person. I said they didn't have to have all their communication=
=20
in public but they really had to be sure to open up the collective to the=20
community. To do this, I said they should definitely have an open e-mail=20
list, at the very least as a place to post minutes of meetings. After a=20
while Jim said their collective agreed to set one up as part of their=20
joining the network.

-- I suggested they should have another IMC from their region sponsor them,=
=20
preferably the Richmond IMC or an IMC in North Carolina. Over several weeks=
=20
Jim claimed to be trying to contact them with no response. I also e-mailed=
=20
people I knew in those places but got no response. So, rather than hold VA=
=20
Beach up indefinitely to wait for another IMC to sponsor, I agreed to pass=
=20
along their information to the new-imc list.  Their application=20
[http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2005-November/1123-6l.html]=20
went through the new-imc list and imc-process with no objections. They were=
=20
welcomed to the network on December 1, 2005.

Since that date, the following facts have become clear:
-- Jim has registered the Virginia Beach IMC as a for-profit corporation in=
=20
the State of Virginia, clearly violating the principles of unity.

-- as far as I know, the VA Beach IMC never opened a public e-mail list as=
=20
promised.

-- There currently does not seem to be a functioning VA Beach collective.=20
The VA Beach IMC has not updated their web site=20
(http://www.vbindymedia.org/) since being added to the cities list. It=20
seems to have since been taken off the cities list already, at least on=20
www.indymedia.org.

-- while the VA Beach IMC was going through the new-imc process, an IMC=20
group called the Hampton Roads IMC, covering approximately the same=20
geographic area, was actively organizing. They have since been approved as=
=20
an IMC=20
[http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2006-March/0324-6n.html].=
=20
At no point did Jim tell mey there was another IMC organizing in the area.=
=20
As I now know, Jim had been to several meetings of the Hampton Roads IMC=20
and left their organizing several months before applying to Indymedia as=20
the Virginia Beach IMC.
(Hampton Roads did not contact the new-imc working group until after VA=20
Beach was on the cities list.)

-- Many e-mails and phone messages to Jim have gone unanswered.

PROPOSAL: For these reasons, the new-imc working group proposes the=20
Virginia Beach IMC be removed from the cities list.=20