[Imc-communication] What is the UCIMC?

[toya at riseup.net]

sascha,
how can u say that eyes of the storm is a project of uc imc???
have u ever seen it? it was maded by rafael and andreas, none of them are
from uc imc
in fact, on the long version of the film, on ((i)) the film u can see many
critics pointed out by the imc-argentina people related to the relations
uc imc has with money and the ford fundation proposal.
not to mention the latter they sent during that time to you and the people
who wanted the ford fundation money...
how can u claim such a thing?
toya
cmi brasil

> What misinformation are you talking about? Did UC-IMC take $30,000
> from the state? Do you have paid positions for money people? Do you
> have a dues paying membership? The answer to all of them is Yes. No
> mis-information there at all.
>
> As for what I said about the lack of radical voices on the website,
> that is not mis-information either, it is my opinion after looking at
> the site.
>
> And claiming that Eye of the Storm is a project of UC-IMC shows this
> sort of arrogant legalese mindset. Same like you claimed one time
> that UC was the global headquarters. Eye of the Storm Films is its
> own project. It is not your program! Anymore than Global is YOUR
> program just because UC is the fiscal sponsor, though you seem to
> think so. People/projects find it useful to have a fiscal sponsor,
> but that does not make that project yours. UC deserves credit for the
> role it plays in fiscally sponsoring projects, but I am far from the
> only person who has expressed dislike over the sense of ownership
> that you have expressed and are expressing again. It is the
> combination of attitude and direction that sets a warning bell
> ringing in the consciousness.
>
> Portland IMC folks are not putting out misinformation. They are
> expressing their deep concern about the direction of UC. I would say
> we especially feel a responsibility to speak up because Portland IMC
> is in the US and it is in the US (not unexpectedly) that the urge for
> money, almost regardless of source, has manifest. I consider it
> dangerous and long term detrimental to the wider indymedia movement.
> Thus I speak my mind about it. Portland folks are far from the only
> ones. Plenty of people say negative things about UC in regards to
> paying people, dues paying membership and taking state money, just
> few try to talk about it on global lists because of the general
> feeling that the lists and global process are dysfunctional enough
> that it is hard to even have a sustained conversation, let alone
> positive outcomes.
>
>
> deva
>
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> On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Sascha Meinrath wrote:
>
>> Hi Deva (et al.),
>>
>> Time and again Portland IMC folks have put out misinformation about
>> the UCIMC
>> and berated the UCIMC for not being radical enough.  And yet, you
>> seem to have
>> done particularly _bad_ due diligence about what the UCIMC actually
>> is, how it
>> works, and what its politics are.
>>
>> In your most recent e-mail you say, "Indymedia was born of the
>> militant spirit
>> of the Seattle WTO protests and which expresses itself even more
>> fully in many
>> other places in the world. Watch the video from Argentina 'Eye of
>> the Storm' for
>> an example."  Eye of the Storm Films is a project of the UCIMC and
>> has been
>> under our umbrella for years.
>>
>> I feel that you see what you want to see, regardless of the the
>> UCIMC actually
>> is and does.  Take a look at our front page: www.ucimc.org, take a
>> look at our
>> books2prisoners program: http://www.books2prisoners.org, listen to
>> our radio
>> station: http://www.radiofreeurbana.org/station/programs, or take a
>> look at
>> what's actually happening at the UCIMC this month: http://
>> tinyurl.com/tzgqf --
>> the UCIMC isn't some monolithic entity with a singular perspective
>> or rhetoric.
>>
>> Maybe the UCIMC doesn't fit your definition of what is "radical,"
>> but I find it
>> ironic that you point to one of our programs as an exemplar of what
>> you do
>> consider to be radical Indymedia.
>>
>> --Sascha
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:51:58 -0800
>>> From: deva <drdartist at riseup.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Imc-communication] [Imc] UCIMC: Concern about the
>>> 	direction	UCis going
>>> To: imc-communication at lists.indymedia.org
>>>
>>> hi eric,
>>>
>>> At some point, you would not longer feel comfortable with the
>>> direction of another collective. If some collective decided to pay
>>> their 'president' $200,000 per year, I think you would not be happy
>>> with that choice, and perhaps would not wish to be affiliated with
>>> that group. I give this exaggerated example to make the point that
>>> everyone, individual or group will have some place where they will
>>> draw a line and say this has gone too far from the spirit of where it
>>> started. The meaningful discussion is regarding those lines, not
>>> castigating people for their feelings and views.
>>>
>>> There have been some frank discussions among Portland folks. There
>>> has been discussion about what is the indymedia network, should
>>> affiliations be voluntary, and what effects such an action as taking
>>> UC off the Portland cities list would have on the network.
>>>
>>> Looking over the UC imc site, it is easy to see why it will attract
>>> $30,000 grants from the state agency. There are almost no militant/
>>> radical voices expressed there. Indymedia was born of the militant
>>> spirit of the Seattle WTO protests and which expresses itself even
>>> more fully in many other places in the world. Watch the video from
>>> Argentina "Eye of the Storm" for an example. UC takes money from the
>>> State, has ongoing paid positions for people who deal with money, and
>>> has little radical voice. It is becoming a mainstream, money based
>>> organization that moves farther and farther from the roots of
>>> worldwide indymedia and its message of radical social change.
>>>
>>> After Martin Luther King delivered his famous speech in 1967
>>> denouncing the war in Vietnam, mainstream Black leaders rebuked him
>>> for jeopardizing the financial support of liberal whites. "You might
>>> get yourself a foundation grant," King retorted, "but you won't get
>>> yourself into the Kingdom of Truth."
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> deva
>>
>> --
>> Sascha Meinrath
>> Executive Director  *  Principal          *  President
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