[Imc-communication] [Imc] UCIMC: Concern about the direction UC is going

[deva]

Sascha was rude in a polite clever sort of way, and I gave back same,  
though less 'polite'. I am fed up with the condescending controlling  
sort of replies from UC-IMC folks, here, in email and especially on  
the UC website - Direct, I don't have a problem with.

I agree that activists who do the work get to make the decisions. I  
am living far away from Urbana-Champaign and obviously have no  
involvement there. Yet here we are on this list which reflects some  
common shared purpose. If no person from UC-IMC posted to this list,  
things would carry on as they are, so you do not need to spend time  
and energy to defend yourselves.

But perhaps you or others there want to do so, feel some  
responsibility to the shared vision, or want to maintain the respect  
of other imc people or for other reason.

So here we are. UC-IMC is on its own path. You have to pay money to  
be a member, and it is having paid employment positions and has just  
accepted money from a state agency. Various people are upset/ 
concerned about the choices and direction of UC-IMC and some wonder  
what sort of common vision and shared purpose is actually there.

I have more I might say on these things, but the request has been  
made a couple times that this not be an english only discussion. I,  
unfortunately, do not speak spanish and have not yet found someone  
who can translate. I'll stop posting until I find someone to help me.

deva






On Sep 20, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Wendy Edwards wrote:

> Actually, Sascha's been far more polite than I would have been.
> The Finance people have gradually developed a set of procedures
> to perform the tasks that allow us to remain afloat.  Although
> we're willing to listen to suggestions, I really don't see
> why we need to spend time and energy defending ourselves.  To
> be honest, the people who do the work in activists groups
> generally get to make the decisions, and that's what's happened
> here.
>
> Wendy
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 05:01:20PM -0700, deva wrote:
>> I don't know if you are an asshole, or have some sort of vendetta
>> against me, but I'm telling you you misread my post. I did not accuse
>> anyone of lying. Go read it again and figure it out.
>>
>> Your idea of engaging civilly and respectfully means subtle barbs and
>> attacks with a facade of pleasantry. Maybe you learn this behavior in
>> the corporate world, but I am not buying it.
>>
>> deva
>>
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Sascha Meinrath wrote:
>>
>>> deva wrote:
>>>> Do note that you misread my post. But nice try at going on the
>>>> attack to deflect criticism. deva
>>>
>>> Deva, I'm not sure if you are simply trolling or if you have some
>>> sort of vendetta against the UCIMC.  You said, "I don't think you
>>> even bothered to look at the options boud suggested. You may as
>>> well have just saved all the words you wrote and said 'We are not
>>> interested in exploring such options at this time.'"  I'm telling
>>> you that I was the one who looked at these options and that you
>>> should apologize for suggesting otherwise.
>>>
>>> This isn't about deflecting criticism, it's about engaging civilly
>>> and respectfully.
>>>
>>> --Sascha
>>>
>>>> On Sep 19, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Sascha Meinrath wrote:
>>>>> deva wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Mike Lehman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not know whether any of the free software packages you
>>>>>>> mention were
>>>>>>> available when we made the decision to use said software was
>>>>>>> made six
>>>>>>> years ago.
>>>>>> So you did not  investigate alternatives back then? or you were
>>>>>> not around then?
>>>>>
>>>>> We did investigate alternatives and made the decision, based on
>>>>> what we needed, to go with Quickbooks.  We had, in fact, started
>>>>> with Quicken (which I was familiar with and had an extra copy
>>>>> of).  We wanted to then go to a free and open source version, but
>>>>> none did the type of classed accounting that we needed.  Over the
>>>>> years we have looked for free open source alternatives every time
>>>>> we've had to upgrade our accounting software (the last time being
>>>>> in late 2003 when we switched to Quickbooks 2004 Pro).  I am
>>>>> certain that the next time we upgrade we'll do the same search
>>>>> and evaluation and, if a FOSS alternative is available, go with
>>>>> that over Quickbooks.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, we now have six years of financial
>>>>>>> data that would need to be converted to something else in  
>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>> utilize freeware, assuming it is even appropriate. We have
>>>>>>> plenty of
>>>>>>> work to do without adding a large burden to achieve a result of
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> limited meaning.
>>>>>> I don't think you even bothered to look at the options boud
>>>>>> suggested. You may as well have just saved all the words you
>>>>>> wrote and said "We are not interested in exploring such options
>>>>>> at this time"
>>>>>
>>>>> I was the one who did these searches and I think you owe Mike and
>>>>> the UCIMC an apology for claiming that folks were lying.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Sascha
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Sascha Meinrath
>>> Executive Director  *  Principal          *  President
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>>>
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