[Imc-communication] Building the case to disaffiliate de.indy [en][es]

[nick]

[en]
On imc-process, imc colectives can make a proposal so long as it is
done in at least two languages.  IMC-commnication is a bit more open
format where individuals often communicate without getting their words
translated.  You have alerted the imc-community that there is a
conflict, but you need to get organized.  Even if de.indy had been
taken over by Rupert Murdoch, it would take alot more than some
confusing FWDs to get them disaffiliated.  If you are part of
indymedia in Australia now, there should be plenty of people there who
can tell you how big a deal a disaffiliation proposal is.   You need a
broad coalition of indymedia people, and an argument based on
violations of the imc-membership criteria or principles of unity just
to get started, and even then the process would be long and
complicated. Alternately, if the people who were pissed off at de.indy
started their own imc in the same area with a different name, they
could use a more open set of editing guidelines for hiding posts.

[es]	
En la lista cmi-process, colectivas pueden hacer una propuesta, si se
hace al menos en dos idiomas. La lista cmi-comunicación es un formato
un poco más abierto, donde las personas suelen pueden comunicarse en
solamente una idioma. Has alertado a la comunidad cmi que hay un
conflicto, pero, es necesario organizarse. Incluso si de.indy había
sido secuestrada por Rupert Murdoch, se necesitaría mucho más que
algunos mensajes equívocos para lograr la desafiliación. Si estas
parte de indymedia Australia ahora, debes conocer muchas personas que
pueden decirte cómo grande un negocio es una propuesta de
desafiliación. Necesitas una amplia coalición de personas de
indymedia, y un argumento basado en violaciónes de los cmi criterios
de adhesión o cmi principios de unidad para comenzar, y aun en ese
caso, el proceso sería largo y complicado. Alternativamente, las
personas que estaban molestos con de.indy podrían iniciar su propio
cmi en la misma zona con un nombre diferente. Ell at s pueden optar por
el uso criterios para la publicación más abierto, y optó por esconder
un menor número de artículos.

peace / paz,
Nick

On 14/12/2007, diet simon <diet_simon at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Dear ng,
>
> I accuse the people who run German IndyMedia of elitist censorship on a
> grand scale which obstructs the international activism that the IMC movement
> is meant to foster, support and carry.
>
> They practise intellectual apartheid by insisting that everything posted has
> to be the original work of the person posting. I contend that there are IMC
> users who cannot or don't want to write for various reasons, not the least
> of which is underprivileged education. To deny them the chance to join a
> petition, for example, locks them out of political participation.
>
> What looks so disjointed to you now - and I agree it must look like that,
> but I haven't thought of a way to improve the presention
> yet - is my attempt to string together the examples of their censorship.
> Pointing out each case on its own will cause the older ones to be forgotten
> and make everything look less atrocious than it is.
>
> And by the way, I am astonished to see imc-communication at lists.indymedia.org
> in your cc. I thought I was on the "process" list. Is that different?
>
> Regards,
>
> Diet
>
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