[Imc-communication] So, just who is this "Sofia JarrinT"? (Some quick observations)
libertinus at riseup.net
Mon Nov 10 18:13:55 PST 2008
Hello, here Libertinus from Indy Uruguay and I can´t write perfect english.
Im share the point of view of Andres.
Im part of the network for more than 7 years and Im very sad and angry
with all this bullshit. I write a personal letter to payment list and
now I write new one in comunication because I need it.
I only see two cause: or we have the enemy inside making internal
problem or that after the antiglobalization (anticapitalist) movement
crisis enter new people to this network with a bad ideological bassment.
But looking the list of imc
belguim? They had lot of internal problem in this old node. And they
spred in many collectives.
Bolivia? I sure most of them dont know anithing about it.
australia? what the fuck is this collective? I never listen to it.
linksunten? new collective with a strange relation with germany node.
uk imc? mmm, something sound to me wrong here. no? all the local
Urbana??? yes, always there. arrrgh!
"UNFRIENDLY INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES"??? ooohghh, that hurt!! but...
is the history of Latinamerica. always there making trobble and putting money.
CASTELLANO pa la buena gente.
Hola, Soy Libertinus de Indymedia Uruguay y no puedo escribir bien en ingles.
Comparto el punto de vista de Andres de Indy Canarias.
Soy parte la red desde hace ya 7 anios y estoy muy triste y enojado
con toda esta mierda. Ya escribi una carta personal a la lista payment
y ahora escribo otra aqui porque lo necesito.
Yo solo veo dos causas, o tenemos el enemigo dentro generando
problemas internos o que luego de la crisis del movimiento
anticapitalista (antiglobalizacion) ha entrado nuevas personas a esta
red sin una base ideologica fuerte.
Pero mirando la lista de colectivos:
belgica? Ellos tuvieron muchos problemas internos y se han separado en
Bolivia? Estoy seguro que muchos de sus miembros no tienen ni idea de
australia? que carajo es este colectivo? desde cuando existe eso?
nunca oi nada de ellos.
linksunten? nuevo colectivo con una relacion dificil con el nodo aleman
uk imc? mmm, algo me huele mal aqui, todo la red de uk? estan seguros? mmm...
Urbana??? Si!! siempre ellos por aqui!!
"Agencias de inteligencia nada amistosas"??? ooo, eso duele!! pero...
Esa es la historia de latinoamerica, siempre haciendo problemas y
Quoting andrés <apb at swissmail.org>:
> Sofia, all,
> Doing some research, I first read this wiki page:
> where the origination of this proposal is not described (ie. Who's idea
> was this?)
> This document lists the following IMCs as being participants in the
> * Arizona Imc
> * Australia Imc
> * Austria Imc
> * Belgium Imc
> * Bolivia Imc
> * Boston Imc
> * Columbus Imc
> * Linksunten (South-west Germany) Imc
> * Los Angeles Imc
> * Philadelphia Imc
> * Scotland Imc
> * St. Louis Imc
> * UK Imc
> * Urbana Champaign Imc (as fiscal sponsor)
> Looking further into the proposed edits, I then see some comments from
> some individuals (not clearly accrediting that they are acting through
> consensus on behalf of indymedia colectives):
> from 23/Oct, 24/Oct, 26/Oct;
> from 29/Oct, 30/Oct, 2/Nov.
> Participants are:
> some of whom suggest changes which are not evident in the apparantly
> final document, and some of whom point out that they participate
> *without* representing indymedia collectives through local consensus.
> In edits by SofiaJT, four of these names are tagged as associated with
> Belgium, Columbus, Indybay and Scotland IMCs.
> These are seven people in total, of whom not all sound entirely happy
> about the proposal.
> Going on to review the imc-tech list, we first find this message from
> 29/Oct, which I reproduce here for its interest:
>> [IMC-Tech] Knight Foundation Grant for Drupal IMC
>> Sofia JarrinT sofiajt at yahoo.com
>> Wed Oct 29 10:11:05 PDT 2008
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>> For disclosure purposes, please be informed that in the past couple
>> of weeks, we created a loose coalition of Indymedia people to
>> apply for a Knight Foundation grant
>> (http://www.newschallenge.org/) to build an Indymedia Drupal
>> prototype for ALL Indymedias (which will include, among other
>> things, an Indymedia install profile)... The deadline is November
>> The idea developed originally from Belgium and Boston Imc and since
>> then has snowballed to include many other IMCs.
>> The goals so far on how exactly to use the money or manage it, if
>> we get it, are a bit up in the air. But there's a feeling of
>> urgency that if we don't, this will take too long to get done, and
>> Imcs continue to close down because of tech difficulties. Techs
>> lack the time and the money should hopefully give them the space to
>> allocate that time. One idea is to allocate $ to local Indymedias
>> through the global fund, so they in turn could "hire" a tech to
>> help them...
>> Most documentation can be found here:
>> And we're using this channel to communicate:
>> imc-drupal-dev at lists.indymedia.org
>> Boston Imc
> Everybody interested can follow the imc-tech conversation starting at
> the above link.
> I am short of time right now, so I will finish this message at this point.
> But I must point out that, as well as other points such as the issue of
> finance/payment in the indymedia network, CMI-ROSARIO has clearly
> highlighted problems associated with foundations such as these insofar
> as enemies of indymedia can point even further to putative associations
> with, um, let's just say "UNFRIENDLY INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES". An issue
> which the, already not very self-evidently honest "SofiaJT" has not so
> far deigned to address in the imc-communication list. There *do* appear
> to be *either* other comunications going on "behind the scenes" *or*
> "figments of the imagination" going on here.
> However, as long as at least one person is "enjoying" herself...
> All for now.
> Dime si hace falta una traducción al español...
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