[Imc-communication] Something positive, part 2
ryan at linefeed.org
Sat Nov 22 11:19:23 PST 2008
Speaking w/Toya in person, I think there are some mis-communications
happening here but that's beside the point I want to make here.. which
is... the problems of IMC-Israel is the problem of -all- the IMC sites.
Very few IMC sites have successfully gone out, found their own tech to
work on their site, so they head back to a small group of people who
have become responsible for maintaining all of these sites, providing
There -are- non-tech tasks that need to be done, too:
1- Volunteer recruitment & volunteer placement (helping them find a way
to plug in),
2- Logistical support & fund-raising for the colocation datacenters that
run IMC sites,
3- Non-tech tasks that need to be done (organizational help, etc)
If as much effort was put into these tasks (and more) as there was by
the tech side of things -- not to devalue those folks who have helped in
the above three areas -- we would be a lot further along.
But, again not pointing fingers, there are a lot of people who we only
see when there's an emergency with their site that we need to fix, or
help they need on a tech issue, or for the occasional outburst of
complaints about the situation in general.
We -need- help in order to reach that vision that I put in my other
email, "Something positive" ... we need organized, focused help. The
framework for this is already set up with imc-cms and Techmeet. Now, we
just need people to participate in that. -Please- participate! Make time
for Indymedia in the next couple months so that we can get this plan
achieved and start a new era for IMC!
Off-shoot Drupal teams are an -exact- replica of what happened before
with Mir and sf-active .... so while it may seem like a valid short-term
solution, I personally think energy is better focused on coming together
and getting to the next generation of IMC sites, instead of regressing
even further into the "blog" format of IMC.
This idea goes back to the SF-IMC split. There were big plans to
transcend the "blog" format that Indymedia had degenerated into and,
seeing the popularity of blogs on the rise at the time, a number of us
wanted to implement this idea back then -- in 2003. Well, instead we
were distracted for -over a year- by an attempt to split one of the
largest and most popular IMCs at the time. And, as the innovation that
was planned died with that split, IMCs are now mostly irrelevant blogs
or scenester blogs throughout the US. Ironically, many of the main
people responsible for that split have since wandered away from IMC,
having never really been committed to it in the first place.
So, the point is, there -is- a plan amongst people who don't want to see
IMC die in the same way that those folks wandered away from IMC. This is
a -great- plan that will put IMC back in the forefront of innovation.
But, we need help and I've already indicated in my "Something positive"
e-mail how that can happen.
So, again, I would urge the IMC community-at-large to get involved, help
make this happen, and either move IMC into the future or watch it die on
the vine. -ryan
> From: reven at riseup.net
> Subject: Re: [Imc-communication] Corporate Watch article on the Knight
> grant fiasco
> To: "toya at riseup" <toya at riseup.net>
> Cc: imc-communication at lists.indymedia.org, Sofia JarrinT
> <sofiajt at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <60019.reven.1227220137.squirrel at swift.riseup.net>
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> Hey Toya --
>> Kobi got in touch with Linefeed asking for help to set up a drupal
>> site for IMC Israel....
> I've been in touch with Ryan for a few YEARS about Linefeed helping us
> out... back to now: my point was that you mentioned the work as if it is
> done -- when in fact the situation is far from that -- this is poor
> communication; NOT POINTING FINGERS.
> Yes, we have a basic install up, but we have quite a few more things to do
> before we can use the site... as for myself, along with helping
> coordinating tech and editing of IMC Israel (and keeping up with drupal,
> cms, features, video, and other IMC lists), I've started learning Drupal
> in order to HELP with this mainly because as the person that's been the
> main editor of the site for the past few years I'm finding it almost
> impossible to get the work done mostly because of tech related issues.
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