[Imc-communication] imc 10-year meeting (repost irc log from March 26 meeting)

[Jay]

This is a repost of the log from the March 26 IRC 
meeting to discuss the 10 year indymedia gathering/s.

01[14:08] <Jay2> Hi everyone!  happy to see you all.
[14:08] <@toya> hello
[14:08] <bradley> hey
[14:09] <@elisa> :)

01[14:09] <Jay2> Have we begun yet, or should we begin? :)
[14:10] <@toya> we should begin
[14:10] <@elisa> and start with presentations?
[14:11] <caillou> salut! caillou from paris
[14:11] <@toya> toya from brasil

01[14:11] <Jay2> Jay from Philadelphia in the U.S.
[14:11] <@elisa> elisa from brazil
[14:13] <@toya> semvergonha: ?
[14:13] <@toya> bradley: ?
[14:13] <@toya> Alster: ?
[14:13] <bradley> bradley from santa cruz / indybay (sf bay area)

[14:15] <Alster> Hi, I'm Alster from IMC Germany 
+ some tech collectives + working groups, living in Germany
[14:15] <@elisa> mara :)

[14:15] <@toya> mara and guest-en we are making presentations

01[14:15] <Jay2> introductions, as some would say

03[14:15] * guest-en is now known as Keltoum
[14:16] <mara> hi everyone, I'm mara from Imc London
[14:16] <Keltoum> Hi Im Keltoum from Belgium Indymedia
[14:16] <mara> not sure what else to say?
[14:16] <@toya> mara: that is enought ;)
[14:16] <Keltoum> I organise the media activist network in Be
[14:18] <bradley> alright. pues..

01[14:19] <Jay2> Is that everyone?  Maybe we 
should get a little order of topics.
[14:19] <bradley> yes, a list a topics.
[14:21] <@toya> i think that email from jay
[14:21] <@toya> has a good list of topics
[14:21] <@toya> 1)site/location
[14:21] <@toya> 2)the agenda
[14:21] <@toya> 3)spreading the word
[14:21] <@toya> 4)fundraising
[14:21] <bradley> OK.

01[14:22] <Jay2> Sounds good to me.  Before we 
start that (not to complicate things) does anyone 
want to talk first about the issues in gdm's 
e-mail...should we even have a gathering at 
all?  If we all think we should, we can start in with #1.

03[14:22] * mat (~mat at localhost) has joined #meeting

06[14:22] * @toya raise her hand

01[14:22] <Jay2> Just to make sure all opinions 
have a chance to get out before we start talking in practicalities.

01[14:22] <Jay2> whoops, sorry toya.
[14:24] <@toya> my personal opinio is that if we 
cant do this, i dont see another opportunity or 
way to revive the indymedia global network, and 
personally i would suggest that the network stop 
exist - because if there is no will to try then 
is not worthed to keep it this way
[14:24] <@toya> end

01[14:26] <Jay2> I'm kind of of the same 
opinion.  I don't see any good reason for our not 
to organizing a gathering.  I do see gdm's points 
about how to present it, and also to prioritize 
actually getting videoconferencing to work rather 
than just pretending.  plus, i'd love to see coinciding regional gatherings.

[14:27] <steev> hola

01[14:28] <Jay2> (any introductions from people 
who joined the last few minutes?  steev, aqua, 
mat.  just name and where you're from...?)
[14:28] <semvergonha> hi sorry i am foz from brasil

06[14:28] * mat says hello. Im Mat from Indymedia Argentina
[14:28] <steev> i'm steev, from Arizona IMC. sorry late.


03[14:29] * elisa changes topic to 'IMC 
Communication meeting to discuss the 10 year 
Global Meeting / If you just join the channel, please make a sort presentation'

03[14:29] * elisa sets mode: +o Jay2

06[14:30] * @elisa raises
[14:30] <barbarossa> hi, i'm barbarossa from imc-germany
[14:30] <bradley> how about: "IMC Communication 
meeting to discuss A 10 year Global Meeting" -- not "the"
[14:30] <@elisa> I agree with Jay2 and toy about gdm points

03[14:30] * toya sets mode: +o bradley

03[14:30] * bradley changes topic to 'IMC 
Communication meeting to discuss "a" 10 year 
Global Meeting / If you just join the channel, please make a sort presentation'

03[14:30] * elisa changes topic to 'IMC 
Communication meeting to discuss "a" 10 year 
Global Meeting / If you just join the channel, please make a sort presentation'
[14:31] <steev> has this been going on long?

03[14:31] * elisa changes topic to 'IMC 
Communication meeting to discuss  10 years Global 
Meeting / If you just join the channel, please make a sort presentation'

[14:31] <@bradley> @steev: No.
[14:32] <steev> ok good

[14:32] <@bradley> Agenda of this meeting:
[14:32] <@bradley> 1)site/location
[14:32] <@bradley> 2)the agenda
[14:32] <@bradley> 3)spreading the word
[14:32] <@bradley> 4)fundraising
[14:32] <@bradley> Can we move on to #1 now?
[14:33] <@elisa> yep
[14:34] <jimdog> sorry I'm late. I'm here from Leeds/Bradford IMC (UK)
[14:34] <@toya> well, this means people want to 
try organize it? then i am ok on moving to #1
[14:35] <@elisa> thanks Alster

01[14:35] <@Jay2> Sounds reasonable.

06[14:35] * Alster stops spamming now ;-)
[14:35] <Groovalos> is it only for ppl who work for indymedia?
[14:35] <Groovalos> or for users too?

[14:36] <jimdog> the users are indymedia :-)

01[14:36] <@Jay2> My instinct would be that it 
would be a gathering for people who are actively 
organizing with indymedia and also plan to be in the near future.
[14:36] <@elisa> I agree with Jay2

06[14:36] * @toya agrees with jay but i am ok if 
a user wants to stay in this meeting

[14:37] <steev> what is a "user"? :-)
[14:37] <jimdog> i feel we should be encouraging 
more users to be actively involved so will sit back quietly

[14:37] <@bradley> user = contributor.
[14:37] <Groovalos> i'm not really good at english
[14:37] <Keltoum> I agree with jimdog ...users are indymedia
[14:37] <@toya> Groovalos: where you from?
[14:38] <Groovalos> greece

01[14:38] <@Jay2> I would hope a user who comes 
to this kind of gathering would come out wanting 
to participate in making things better from that point forward. ::)

01[14:39] <@Jay2> though I think this should be 
very a forward-looking gathering and not 
something that only raises problems from the past.
[14:39] <@toya> Jay2: indeed
[14:39] <jimdog> agreed

01[14:40] <@Jay2> Refocusing on #1 -- the site?
[14:40] <@toya> yes
[14:40] <@toya> so, there are many ppl from 
outside of latin america here, is there any will 
to organize a local gathering in your regions?
[14:41] <enko> hi folks, I'm enko from germany 
and I'm into the drupal buzz and trying to help 
people out in the corresponding channels, I also 
met some ppl at the 25c3 and got this way a bit involved
[14:41] <jimdog> Our local meeting came to the 
concensus that south america would be the best location
[14:41] <@bradley> (for new people in this chat): 
Agenda of this meeting: 1)site/location, 2)the 
agenda, 3)spreading the word, 4)fundraising
[14:42] <jimdog> though I doubt many of us would 
atted physically, we were hoping for a way of contributing via irc/webcam link
[14:42] <jimdog> attend

01[14:43] <@Jay2> Three imcs have talked about 
hosting -- bolivia, ecuador and brasil.  any more information from any of them?
[14:43] <barbarossa> we are planing a local 
meeting in germany but more focused on our own 
imc but arent shure yet when and where it will take place
[14:43] <@elisa> I can talk about brazil
[14:44] <@elisa> just one thing someone is keeping the log
[14:44] <@elisa> ?

[14:44] <@toya> <-isnt
[14:44] <@elisa> nem eu
[14:44] <@elisa> can someone do this?
[14:44] <@elisa> nice domain occam

[14:45] <@elisa> so occam will save the log
[14:45] <@elisa> ;)
[14:45] <jimdog> could there be a full compliment 
of satellite meetings in corresponding countries, 
feeding into a global meeting at the main site? 
or would this take something aay from the main event
[14:45] <occam> that also :)
[14:46] <@elisa> about the #1 location
[14:46] <@elisa> We had a meeting this weekend in São Paulo collective
[14:46] <@elisa> and we can host the meeting here
[14:46] <@elisa> we are looking for the best place
[14:47] <@elisa> and we have at least 8 ppl to be in the organization
[14:47] <steev> it would be interesting to survey 
the network and find out just what kind of 
representation there would be for A) any meeting 
and B) meeting in certain places
[14:47] <@elisa> end
[14:48] <jimdog> There are quite a few people in 
the UK who can no longer travel abroad as to 
reapply for a passport here means giving biometric data to the government.
[14:48] <jimdog> which there is a lot of opposition to

01[14:49] <@Jay2> jimdog: I get the sense most of 
us would wholeheartedly support the idea of lots 
of regioinal gatherings linked together.  The 
whole idea for this meeting came from word that 
the LA-IMC is having a 10 year meeting...Steev: 
We could add these kinds of questions to the survey and see what people say.
[14:50] <jimdog> Jay2: thankyou, i can take that back to my local collective

06[14:51] * @bradley raise
[14:51] <@bradley> São Paulo sounds good to me, 
but do we have more info about Ecuador and Bolivia?
[14:51] <@toya> i agree with Jay2 and i think 
right now we cant really talk about 2) agenda or 
4) fundraising - i believe we should talk more 
about #1 and #3 because that will define what the 
agenda will be and what fundraising we will have to do
[14:51] <Keltoum> Can't we organise the get 2 
gether on a big activist event like Seatle b4? 
for ex G8, climate action Posnan,or ...?
[14:51] <@toya> sorry bradley

[14:52] <@toya> tamaiyaku: !
[14:52] <@toya> tamaiyaku is from ecuador!
[14:52] <@bradley> :-)
[14:52] <Keltoum> I agree aswell with the 
regional idea ...i think that will attract more participants
[14:52] <tamaiyaku> hi how are you, i m late because i could not connect
[14:53] <aqua> Jay2, you asked for an 
intoduction: i'm from linksunten.indy (gemany), 
and i think it's a great idea what are you're 
talking about, but i'm too busy (we have 
NATO-summit here) to follow the discussion today, so ciao...

06[14:53] * mara techical point: shouldn't date be on the agenda as well?
[14:53] <jimdog> Keltoum: would that divert resources from such an event?


06[14:53] * @elisa raises to answer mara
[14:54] <@elisa> mara: we are discussing about 
this a month and we find that the best date would be the last week of the year
[14:54] <Keltoum> dunno depens on how you see the gathering...
[14:54] <@elisa> coz of the holidays


01[14:55] <@Jay2> Keltoum: i personally like the 
idea of getting together specifically to talk 
about indymedia.  At any other event there's so 
much going on and there are so many 
distractions.  If we're going to gather once 
every 10 years, we should focus. :))
[14:55] <@elisa> but if we guys wants to set 
another date we can put this in the agenda
[14:55] <@elisa> end
[14:55] <@elisa> can we have a facilitation process for this meeting here
[14:55] <@elisa> hehehe
[14:55] <@elisa> I can do this

01[14:55] <@Jay2> You're it!

01[14:55] <@Jay2> :

01[14:55] <@Jay2> :)
[14:55] <Keltoum> Illr8
[14:55] <anarcat> hehe hi everybody :)
[14:56] <@elisa> the person just have to /me raises and end

06[14:56] * @toya raises
[14:56] <@elisa> go on
[14:57] <@toya> i think everyone here is open to 
have as many regional gatherings as possible and 
the way to find out who could organize it, i 
believe could be throught the survey

06[14:58] * jimdog raise
[14:58] <@toya> one regional proposal is latin 
america and there are 3 groups offering to 
organize it so i think at this meeting we should 
talk about this particular regional gathering


[14:58] <@toya> even though that might be more 
but here right now those are the one offerig to 
organize and it would help the group who will do 
that to know asap if they will do it or not
[14:59] <@toya> another thing as i suggested 
above, which is the most important for this stage of the organization
[14:59] <@toya> would be to build the survey and 
make sure that as many imcs as possible replies it
[15:00] <@toya> if we can do this or part of it today i would be really happy
[15:00] <@toya> end
[15:00] <@elisa> jimdog

[15:01] <jimdog> sorry I'm on a slow connection 
so plaease bear with me. If there is to be a 
regional feed to the main event, this is relevant 
to location as such a place will need an adequate 
internet connection to handle that? end

03[15:01] * elisa changes topic to 'IMC 
Communication meeting to discuss  10 years Global 
Meeting / If you just join the channel, please make a short presentation'
[15:02] <@toya> jimdog: yes
[15:02] <@elisa> we already think about this

06[15:03] * @bradley raise
[15:03] <@elisa> go on

[15:04] <@bradley> is there an update about possible meeting in Ecuador? Quito?
[15:04] <tamaiyaku> i am a little be lost. i don 
not haw to raise my hand and i need also 
information about what were you being talking about
[15:04] <@bradley> tamaiyaku?
[15:04] <tamaiyaku> yes we can do the meeting in 
quito we can find a place with a good internet connecting
[15:05] <barbarossa> sorry - have to leave yet 
but i think gathering in real live is a very good idea
[15:05] <@elisa> thanks barbarossa
[15:05] <@elisa>  tamaiyaku to raise your hand just type /me raises

06[15:06] * @elisa raises
[15:06] <tamaiyaku> ok thank you elisa
[15:06] <@elisa> ;)
[15:07] <@elisa> I want to know somethings before 
to support the idea of have the face to face meeting in quito

06[15:07] * tamaiyaku raises
[15:07] <@elisa> how are the political conditions in equador
[15:07] <@elisa> we followed the case of that colombian guy that was arrested

[15:08] <@elisa> I want to know if we can have 
problems with the travel of a lot of activists to equador end
[15:08] <billy> el compa colombiano sige preso y sin posibilidades de salir

[15:09] <tamaiyaku> i think there are a lot of 
possibilities to activist to come

[15:10] <tamaiyaku> iour gouvermente is not too 
bad, it do not have good politics in some ways 
but is better than the previos gouvernements


06[15:11] * @Jay2 raises hand
[15:11] <tamaiyaku> and the problem of aour 
friend is due to aolitic persecution from 
colombia, and we are having good results in the case
[15:11] <veri> hi
[15:11] <veri> hola
[15:11] <veri> oi

03[15:11] * veri is now known as everi
[15:11] <everi> ayaya!!!
[15:12] <@elisa> go on Jay2

01[15:13] <@Jay2> My question is to 
tamaiyaku.  Is the group in Quito organized and 
active enough to be able to host a big thing like 
this?  It would be over 100 people, probably, 
with a lot of complicated details.

01[15:13] <@Jay2> (the same question would be for sao paolo and bolivia)


06[15:16] * @toya raises
[15:16] <tamaiyaku> well we are not a lot but we 
are very organize and we have handdle other big 
events. but i need we mudt have a meeting to know 
what is all we have to do and evaluete our real capacity to do it

06[15:18] * jimdog raises
[15:18] <paique> hi, i'm paíque from indymedia 
brasil/brasilia. ||| hola, yo soy paique de 
indymedia brasil/brasilia ||| olá, eu sou o paíque, do cmi-brasil/brasilia :P
[15:19] <@toya> about bolivia, i can say what 
people from sucre told me, first they need to 
know if there is support from the other 
collectives from bolivia network in doing it - 
they send an email to them asking about it but i 
dont know if there were any answer yet - this is 
the update i can give from the contact i had with people from sucre indymedia
[15:19] <@toya> end


15:20] <tamaiyaku> i think is important to know 
alsa how much time do we have to organize the 
meeting because this is also an important fact

06[15:21] * @elisa raises
[15:21] <@elisa> to answer the Jay2 question

[15:21] <@elisa> yep Jay2
[15:21] <@elisa> we know how is to host a global 
meeting, we already have one at the Social Forum
[15:21] <@elisa> end
[15:21] <@elisa> go toya
[15:21] <@elisa> toya ?
[15:21] <@elisa> jimdog

06[15:21] * steev raises
[15:21] <veri> I'm everi from brazil, brasilia colective
[15:22] <@elisa> jimdog is your turn

03[15:22] * veri is now known as everi
[15:22] <jimdog> would it be a good idea to put a 
survey aroud the global network to get an idea of 
how many peoplemight be attending and from where 
before setting firm plans for a location?
[15:22] <jimdog> end
[15:22] <@elisa> steev
[15:23] <steev> I agree strongly with what jimdog 
just said but i also wanted to say:
[15:23] <steev> perhaps a way to go about 
location selection is to come up with a "specification" for the meeting
[15:23] <steev> for instance:  must be able to 
host X number of people for Y days
[15:23] <steev> must have internet, kitchen, etc etc

06[15:24] * @elisa raises
[15:24] <steev> then, invite different 
collectives to submit proposals for how they would provide what is needed
[15:24] <steev> done.
[15:24] <@elisa> ok
[15:24] <@elisa> I have done an account of 8 days

06[15:24] * @Jay2 twinkles virtual fingers in support of steev's idea.

06[15:25] * everi raises

06[15:25] * tamaiyaku raises
[15:25] <@elisa> starting at 26th december until 2 january

[15:25] <@elisa> and a list with the things that 
we need like internet x toillet for at least 100 ppl
[15:25] <@elisa> place to sleep


06[15:26] * @toya raises
[15:26] <@elisa> and kitchen, but to save time 
would be better to pay some food no bombs collective to do the food
[15:26] <@elisa> end
[15:26] <@elisa> everi
[15:27] <everi> I agree with proposal of steev, 
but I think that internet isnt' must necessery in local of event

[15:28] <everi> the internet can be in (perto do local do evento)
[15:28] <everi> não sei como dizer isso em ingles
[15:28] <everi> =/
[15:28] <@elisa> close of the event place
[15:28] <everi> yes
[15:28] <@elisa> terminou?
[15:28] <everi> yes
[15:28] <@elisa> ok
[15:28] <everi> end

06[15:28] * jimdog raises
[15:28] <@elisa> tamaiyaku
[15:29] <tamaiyaku> i just want to agree with 
steev, and i think i have think more clear now.
[15:29] <tamaiyaku> end
[15:29] <@elisa> toya
[15:30] <@toya> i would like to summary somethings
[15:30] <@toya> so we should maybe do a survey 
about the gathering first like we are saying
[15:30] <@toya> make a list of the needed stuff and the possible dates
[15:31] <@toya> and send this more simple survey out
[15:31] <@toya> collect answers in a timeline of a month

[15:31] <@toya> and after that analyse the 
answers and try to make some decisions about locations etc

06[15:32] * tamaiyaku agree with toya
[15:32] <@toya> while people are answering this 
more simple survey we could elaborate the more 
complex one with questions about the network

06[15:32] * jimdog also agree
[15:32] <@toya> and that stuff we talked on imc 
communication list throught that list
[15:32] <@toya> end

[15:32] <@elisa> jimdog
[15:32] <Keltoum> Hey folks I gotta catch my 
train. If loc and date is fix we'll try to send 
someone and spread the wrd in our network hasta luego
[15:32] <jimdog> 2 poiints

03[15:32] * veri is now known as everi


06[15:33] * @Jay2 raises hand to respond to toya when jimdog is done
[15:33] <jimdog> 1 in response to everi - could a 
sattelite be borrowed from a collective, the 
other is that would it be a good idea to set up a 
dedicated list for discussion of this meeting
[15:34] <jimdog> end
[15:34] <@elisa> Jay2

06[15:35] * @elisa raises

01[15:36] <@Jay2> I like the idea of putting 
these kind of questions to the network before we 
go forward.  I'd be concerned about sending out 
two different surveys though -- getting people to 
respond to one owuld be a lot of work.  Since the 
deeper agenda questions will be the same no 
matter where the meeting/s is/are held, I'd 
rather see us send them out at once.

01[15:36] <@Jay2> oh, as a sidelight, who would 
like to volunteer to write a list of requirements for a meeting site?

01[15:36] <@Jay2> end
[15:37] <@elisa> I think that more one month to 
define the place will be complicated, coz we are 
thinking about to do the meeting in a week of 
parties, and everybig place will be hosting 
something, so if we will need to rent a place for 
this date we need to do this as far as we can
[15:38] <@elisa> in são paulo we are thinking 
about some autonomus place to host the meeting
[15:38] <@elisa> but if will came more than 100 we will have to rent a place

06[15:38] * steev raises hand
[15:38] <@elisa> end
[15:38] <@elisa> steev

[15:40] <steev> i just want to ask/comment, the 
meeting is not intended as a decision-making body, right?
[15:40] <steev> if so, i think this should be 
very clear in the survey that goes out.
[15:40] <steev> my prediction is that very few 
people will be able to physically attend the 
meeting, and everyone will want to know that it's 
not something where teh fate of indymedia will be
[15:41] <steev> definitively decided, but rather
[15:41] <steev> a communication opportunity
[15:41] <steev> fin.

06[15:41] * @toya raises
[15:41] <@elisa> toya
[15:41] <@toya> answering steev

06[15:41] * everi rises
[15:41] <@toya> i agree that is not a decision 
making meeting and that should be clear
[15:42] <@toya> it wont decide the fate of 
indymedia but we should highlight that the fate 
of indymedia really depend on inititives like this one
[15:42] <@toya> so we keep the ball rolling and 
are able to re-organize ourselves better
[15:42] <@toya> about jay point - i agree that 
would be better i just dont want one thing to stop the other

[15:43] <@toya> create the full survey at once 
could take a long time - depends on ppl efforts 
for sure so that dont take too long

[15:43] <@toya> and time is very important for 
those who will organize the gathering locally as it was pointed out before
[15:43] <@toya> so if there is a commitment to do 
teh full survey all at once and people will work 
on it so it doesnt take months and month for that to go out
[15:44] <@toya> then i am ok with it
[15:44] <@toya> end
[15:44] <@elisa> veri
[15:44] <veri>     I think that the criterion of 
having internet should not be eliminatory, I 
think this reunion should be more discussion of 
principles, global strategies of union and 
communication, and self analysis of 10 years of 
the Indymedia project. I think a local network 
can be useful, we have built the machines in 
local, networked, to shop, share etc ...
[15:44] <veri> end


03[15:44] * veri is now known as everi

06[15:44] * @elisa raises
[15:45] <@elisa> everi the internet was pointed 
as a important point coz a lot of ppl don't be 
able to be in the face to face meeting
[15:45] <@elisa> so we will need to do some conferences
[15:45] <@elisa> and about the analysis of 10 years of the Indymedia
[15:46] <@elisa> I think that Jay2 already said something about this

06[15:46] * Alster raises
[15:46] <@elisa> I agree with him that we need to focus in the future
[15:46] <@elisa> and don't rase the old imc problems
[15:46] <@elisa> end
[15:46] <@elisa> Alster
[15:47] <Alster> I'd just like to note that we 
should not consider to have the meeting take 
place in one of the "1st world fortresses" such 
as euorpean union or usa or australia. and so i 
very much welcome the initiatives to host this in 
south america (but elsewhere would be fine with me, too)
[15:47] <Alster> end

06[15:47] * tamaiyaku raises
[15:47] <@elisa> go on tamaiyaku
[15:48] <tamaiyaku> I think is important to 
evaluate the 10 years of indymedia in order to 
create new inicitaives for the future of the red
[15:49] <tamaiyaku> i want also to answer if each 
group is going to autogestionate the 
transportation of people from each country to the 
meeting or if we are goint to do something 
together in order to have funds for the meeting 
and the transportation of people?
[15:49] <tamaiyaku> end

06[15:50] * @elisa raises
[15:50] <@elisa> we alrady finished with the #1?
[15:50] <@elisa> 1) The site:
[15:50] <@elisa> can we try to focus on the topics that we have
[15:51] <@elisa> like who can install a site to 
help in the meeting organization?
[15:51] <@elisa> so we can separe a group of ppl to work on the site

[15:51] <@elisa> what you think?
[15:51] <@elisa> end

06[15:52] * everi rise
[15:52] <@elisa> go on
[15:52] <everi>    I think that assess the past 
is very important because it is from this that we 
know what should continue and what should be changed
[15:52] <everi> tou usando o tradutor da internet, talvez fique meio sem lógica
[15:52] <everi> end

03[15:53] * veri is now known as everi

06[15:54] * @Jay2 raises hand
[15:54] <everi> hay alguien de bolivia acá?

[15:54] <@toya> everi: nao :/
[15:54] <everi> =(

06[15:54] * jimdog could anyone possibly translate - sorry *
[15:55] <@elisa> he asked if there is someone from bolivia here

06[15:55] * jimdog says thankyou
[15:55] <@elisa> ;)
[15:56] <@elisa> so?
[15:57] <@toya> jimdog: ?
[15:57] <@toya> ops
[15:57] <@toya> Jay2: ?
[15:57] <@toya> he wants to talk
[15:57] <@elisa> eh
[15:57] <jimdog> sorry, was thanking for the translation

01[15:58] <@Jay2> Yup, thanks, just to say that 
we have a proposal to put a list of requriements 
for a site host into the survey, which we should get out really soon...

01[15:58] <@Jay2> and a sort-of counter argument 
that if we give too long for the site location 
decision we'll have a harder time organizing it...

01[16:00] <@Jay2> So maybe rather than adding 
those questions to the survey itself, which is 
going to gather responses over several weeks, we 
could send those questions in the e-mail we send 
to all collectives telling them about the survey, 
and post them on global lists, wich a shorter 
response deadline...maybe two weeks?  that would be a middle ground.

06[16:00] * @toya raises

01[16:01] <@Jay2> end
[16:01] <@elisa> toya
[16:02] <@toya> I agree with jay, so what about 
we start moving on with deviding tasks? I believe they are:
[16:02] <@toya> 1. write this email and get it 
translated to as many languages as possible
[16:03] <@toya> 2. make sure it arrives on the 
mail boxes of all the contact lists for the collectives
[16:03] <@toya> 3. organize the survey
[16:03] <@toya> end

06[16:04] * tamaiyaku raises
[16:04] <@elisa> go tamaiyaku
[16:05] <tamaiyaku> agree with toya and i can 
traslate to spanish everythink the survey and the mail
[16:05] <tamaiyaku> end

06[16:05] * @elisa raises

[16:05] <@elisa> I can help Jay2 to write the email if he assume this task :P
[16:05] <@elisa> end

06[16:06] * @toya raises
[16:06] <@elisa> toya

03[16:06] * veri is now known as everi
[16:07] <@toya> maybe me and Alster - since we 
are from listwork - could do the part of making 
sure the emails pass moderations where the list 
moderator is a ghost (not active)
[16:07] <@toya> end

06[16:08] * @Jay2 raises hand
[16:08] <@elisa> Jay2

01[16:09] <@Jay2> I'd be happy to help get the 
survey questions together.  I already posted some 
suggestions at 
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-communication/2009-March/0311-8v.html....

01[16:09] <@Jay2> Toya also suggested we add more 
specific questions about how people use imc 
global communications resources etc. That sounds good to me....so

06[16:10] * ttx is from imc liege (be). hello

01[16:11] <@Jay2> I have to go in a few 
moinutes.  What do people think would be the best 
way to finalize the questions?  Can we do that on 
imc-communication over the next few days?  Also, 
toya said putting the survey on an imc server 
would be easy.  surveymonkey.com limits free 
surveys to 10 questions.  so, i'd need help with 
posting the questions on an imc server..

01[16:11] <@Jay2> and with translations too. :))

01[16:11] <@Jay2> end

06[16:11] * mat have to go home, but i was 
following the meeting and pass the details to the Indymedia Argentina Network
[16:11] <anarcat> i can probably find someone to translate to fr

06[16:12] * @toya raises

06[16:12] * @elisa can translate to portuguese
[16:12] <@elisa> toya
[16:12] <@toya> i can also help with ellaborating the questions to the survey
[16:12] <@toya> and i agree that should be done on communication list
[16:13] <tamaiyaku> i can find someone to traslate to germany too
[16:13] <@toya> and yah, if we pass the limit of 
10 questions i think we can host our own survey

03[16:13] * jolly (~jolly at earth) has joined #meeting
[16:13] <@toya> and i can offer to call ppl on 
imc-tech to help making the code for that!
[16:13] <@toya> just one more thing
[16:14] <@toya> me and alter are talking and we 
will try to make a list of the emails lists that 
are active or the main list the collectives are usiing
[16:14] <jolly> hello
[16:14] <@toya> so we know where to send it to 
and we will figure out the best - fast - way to 
make sure the emails pass moderations

06[16:14] * @elisa raises
[16:14] <@toya> end
[16:15] <@elisa> toya you can see too each imc 
sites still working with this lists?
[16:15] <@elisa> end
[16:15] <@toya> to answer it
[16:15] <@toya> to see what sites are working we 
will have to open one by one and look at it

[16:15] <@toya> i dont think we can see that by the lists
[16:15] <@toya> end

06[16:15] * jimdog suggests imc-uk-network would probably be the best list here
[16:18] <@toya> alright
[16:18] <@toya> looks like we have a plan :)
[16:19] <@toya> <-needs to go back to work
[16:19] <@toya> how we close this?

06[16:19] * @Jay2 missed who is going to write 
the e-mail with the site requirements.
[16:20] <@toya> elisa offered to help you if you want to do it
[16:20] <@toya> :)

01[16:21] <@Jay2> aha!  I'll propose some survey 
questions and tackle that, so maybe elisa you're 
on your own for the list of site requirements...? :-))
[16:21] <@elisa> eu nao sei nem o que eh pra fazer
[16:21] <@elisa> toya salva ai
[16:21] <@toya> escrever o que seria necessario 
para um grupo hospedar o encontro
[16:21] <@toya> local pra durmir, comida, internet etc
[16:22] <@elisa> ah isso eu faço de boa
[16:22] <@toya> massa
[16:22] <@elisa> I I will do the list

01[16:22] <@Jay2> Great.  So, to summarize:

01[16:22] <@Jay2> -- elisa will write a list of requirements for a site

01[16:22] <@Jay2> -- jay will help coordinate the 
survey questions on imc-communication

01[16:23] <@Jay2> -- toya will talk with listwork 
about getting the e-mail out and with imc-tech about posting the survey

01[16:23] <@Jay2> -- various people have volunteered to translate.

01[16:23] <@Jay2> -- and we'll all do this over 
the next few days so we can get moving on everything.

01[16:23] <@Jay2> Did I miss anything?
[16:24] <@toya> i dont think so

01[16:24] <@Jay2> one more thing...

01[16:25] <@Jay2> we never talked about possible 
date changes, did we?  or did we discuss putting 
that in the e-mail as well and seeing what collectives would prefer?
[16:25] <@elisa> nah
[16:25] <@elisa> is impossible to set a date if you let everybody suggest one
[16:26] <@elisa> is better to have 2 dates possibles and lete they choose
[16:26] <@elisa> what I know that is a fake free choise but works better
[16:26] <@toya> so one was on new yeras
[16:26] <@toya> and the other?
[16:26] <@elisa> after the new year
[16:27] <@elisa> first from 26 to 2

01[16:27] <@Jay2> i think gdm suggested to 
coincide directly with the 10 year anneversary, 
which would be in early december, but I think 
after the new year would be more realistic.
[16:27] <@elisa> the other could be from 4 to 10 january?

01[16:27] <@Jay2> Sorry all, i have to get 
going.  Thanks for the great meeting!