[Imc-cymru] Re: [Imc-uk-process] wales imc?

[ana]

Hello

>ionnek wrote:
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>>an imc website is just too much for one person, or even two 
>>or three, no matter weather it's based in a city, region or country. 
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ilyan responded:

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>I have to disagree.   One conscientious person could run a  site fully 
>linked into UKindymedia.
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I (ana) re-respond:

you are not really disagreeing Ilyan, both sentences are true: one 
person can NOT run an INDYMEDIA site on her own. However she will ALWAYS 
be able to run "A" site. And link it to indymedia, too;-)

(all quotes from now are from Ilyan)

>Infiltration theories do not attempt to explain minimal activity.  They 
>do explain sabotage and backstabbing.   And perhaps why it is no longer 
>possible to access the original accepted Portuguese IMC statement.
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I say: A golden rule is always to ask the collective involved before 
making such statements.

>Open publishing?  Many find that claim,coupled with hiding, misleading.   
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and, do 'you' find it misleading? Or is it that you are trying to say 
something without saying it?

>Swansea, Cardiff, Aberystwyth, Bangor, Wrexham or anywhere can have IMC 
>sites fully linked with UKindymedia with no problem.
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I have got lost here: what is, for you, an 'imc site fully linked with 
UKindymedia'? as opposed to 'an imc site not linked to UKindymedia' or 
'any site linked with UKindymedia'? can you give examples?

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>And there is no problem if a bunch of Welsh  want to set up an Indymedia 
>Wales together with assorted foreign students and inmigrants.   The 
>question is why don't they use 
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>Imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org    and  https://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/admindb/imc-cymru
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why don't they? (are they in this list?)

>and answer the query about following the Portuguese's argumentative statement.   
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hmmm difficult to refer to a document that is not available... but why 
the Portuguese statement, and not other?

> -that is strong evidence of deep infiltration by KGBetc successfully castrating indymedia.
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i refuse to allow paranoia get anywhere near my brain. Look: by 
definition/s, you can 'not' infiltrate an 'open' group, collective, 
project, 'email list'. You only infiltrate 'close' ones. or, put it in 
another way, every single person is an infiltrator.

I'd like to see this issue solved locally. If this is not possible we 
can do it in a uk-wide level, but lets please try and be constructive. I 
may not be a good example of this but i can say that airing your 
paranoias and personal animadversion does not help... So, people who are 
in that conflict and this list, what do you exactly expect from us?

(and, if this gets on your nerves or simply doesn't help to solve this, 
well simply ignore me i won't get upset) :-)

ana