[Imc-cymru] Re: [Imc-uk-process] Re: wales imc?

[ilyan]

 Here is what I sent to the Police in Coventry, and others, when I heard 
a broadcast on the morning of the General Election after  Alastair Milne 
had been  dismissed from the BBC.  The bit relevant to that is in 
bold.    When what I learned then is put into comments in Ukindymedia, 
they often disappear.   When people pooh pooh conspiracy to me,  they 
make themselves suspect.  Someone is anxious that activists do not know 
what they are up against.    

I am not paranoid.  Having been brought up in a family with three 
generations of  fighting for Trade Unions, and against Capitalism, I 
knew enough to learn everything when the opportunity presented itself.  
There were occasional digressions to establish that we both attached the 
same meaning to the words being used.

EVIDENCE OF A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY AGAINST DEMOCRACY IN THE U.K.
In the 1950s I went to Coventry to buy a car. A 1922 bullnosed Morris  
Cowley XM4682. the seller was asking £30 and there seemed no point in 
haggling, it was more a matter of ensuring that the seller would accept 
me as a suitable caretaker. The seller was a management trainee in a car 
firm, and he was accompanied by two of his fellows.

Anxious to make a good impression I let slip details of my education, 
that my father had given the freehold of an Abbey to the Crown, and had 
established through the courts and the Lords that the Police had a right 
to enter private property when they believed an offence was likely to be 
committed.# The effect was amazing.
 
One of the seller's fellows started telling me of his political plans to 
eradicate socialism. Standing on a kerb, he told how he already had a 
follower in position to take over the job of drawing out the boundaries 
of the parliamentary constituencies, so that when the then present 
occupier retired, his man would contrive to make a few constituencies 
with massive Labour majorities, and many constituencies with small Tory 
majorities. 

Equal votes would then produce a Tory majority of seats. The idea had 
come from Ulster. Another lesson from there was planting populations, 
and this should be done in Wales and Scotland in order to produce a 
homogeneous British population. 

Trade Unions would have to be broken. He was very highly motivated about 
this. A close friend or relative had been broken by Trade Union action 
pre-war and had gone to Africa and become a major influence on the 
speaker. The big plan was to draw the miners into a strike on carefully 
prepared ground. To use funds which were already in existence to restart 
a Nottingham miners movement. 

The rich and profitable Nottingham mines would enable a crushing defeat 
to the "Vanguard of the Unions". Truly essential Unions would be bought, 
but they were few, any of the other Unions would be broken if if they 
showed any militancy. Bolshie political activists would be hounded, 
persecuted, blacklisted, and broken to the nth generation as an example 
to others. there were secret agents drawing up lists of reds and 
planning how to deal with them. 

Following the Nottingham principle, he had some followers who were 
joining the Labour Party, and they would one day form a breakaway party 
to split the anti Tory vote. He even had a man lined up to fund them. 

Labour voters would be induced to buy council houses in order to make 
them into owner occupiers. That would change their class outlook, and 
their voting habits. Nationalized industries would be sold off and put 
into the hands of voters and foreign corporations in order to make 
renationalisation more difficult.
 
Renationalisation was to be made impossible by impoverishing the State. 
Wealth should be in private hands, exchange controls abolished to enable 
a free flow of capital to take advantage of cheap labour areas, and to 
avoid taxation. the militants of the British proletariat were to learn a 
hard lesson about the value of working.   There should be an appropriate 
pool of unemployed so there would be plenty of  (white) people to take 
jobs as servants. there would be good scope for private charity which 
benefitted both the giver and the taker.
And the State would not be creditworthy.

My querying the ability of an impoverished state spending its way out of 
an economic depression brought the view that Keynes's theory would be 
invalidated by these policies, and anyhow, once the system got going, 
there would be mo more depressions. Businessmen were much cleverer now. 

My stating the small lot theory of investment "Buy when shares are held 
by few in big lots, sell when shares are held by many in small lots" 
brought the suggestion that the smart operator would make money whatever 
happened but the new regime would eliminate the boom bust cycle. 

He went on to say how he went around the country addressing dinner 
parties of selected guests, but it was in University Conservative groups 
that he found some of his more enthusiastic support. Surprisingly, a 
valley welshman, a girl who showed great promise, and some who were of 
working class origins. 

He wanted to do away with conscription, to have a professional army.   
He had contact with plenty of officers and was confident of putting down 
the reds when the day came. 

The wide range of the vision was emphasised, no part of the power 
structure of the UK was neglected. His contacts were everywhere, but one 
would have to be subtle. Come election time, the BBC would not be 
partizan politically, but programs could be presented showing the awful 
consequences of voting for the reds in overseas contexts. His men would 
see to it that such programs were commissioned and broadcast at the 
appropriate times. Whatever was necessary would be done.

The use of lies was very clever, even the most outrageous lies would 
stick to some extent. He seemed to regard a lie as an essential tool in 
politics, as if no campaign could succeed without a good big lie.

But if all else failed to defeat the reds, then a professional army 
could be used directly. 
 
It was a shame that they had gone "over the top" in pre-war europe, so 
much of what they thought was sound.
A national assistance scheme would be devised to enable the great 
landowners estates to re-establish their proper positions.

I asked what was in all this for him. He expected that great 
opportunities for profit would arise and that his friends would see to 
it that he made millions. I doubted that and suggested that he would be 
better off if he put his great talents to work for himself in his own 
business, and anyway, had he read Machiavelli's The Prince?

No. Then before doing any more it was essential reading. But I also told 
him that what he had told me was a criminal conspiracy and he should 
desist. 

One of the other fellows told me not to pay any attention to what had 
been said, there was a no short speaker standing on the kerb to make 
himself look taller. He was in fact in Ireland at that moment, as his 
passport would prove. And he definitely was not on the company payroll, 
he was paid out of petty cash. That drew forth the statement that what 
he was doing was far more important than square bashing. 

I suggested that success in his enterprise would lead to violent class 
based clashes, the formation of assassination gangs, arson, and mindless 
violence. He was sanguine about being able to deal with trouble makers, 
it would be a healthier society.
 
The lunch hour ended, my co-driver returned, and we went home to Neath 
Abbey with the Cowley. I reported all the above to a professional agent 
of international Communism** who was my paymaster at that time. He was 
delighted that the Capitalists were digging their own graves, disabling 
Keynes Theory, and ensuring that the only way out of a subsequent 
economic depression would be by expropriating wealth. Then he thought 
before saying that Fascism meant stagnation.

My memory of the chief conspirator was that he was called Michael, was 
short, and sensitive about it, had chinese-ish eyes~, had an oddly 
spelled welsh surname, and a law degree from a southern African 
University. 

This is true.

#Started in Caerau, ended with Lords ruling on Thomas v Sawkins (1935). 
Unfortunately did not establish a Police duty, only a right.
** The end result of the blacklist after a Trimsaran Colliery surface 
workers strike for waterproof clothing.    If you happen to have the 
photo of  the staff and students at Central Labour College in 1928, he 
is facing you at the end of the the back row on your left.
~Same eyes as the Tregaron Edwardes.

There is one mistake, it was a car accessory manufacturing firm, making 
batteries. There are bits I left out as I might have speculated in Gold 
myself..... It was the dismissal of Alastair Milne that prompted me to 
write and send this to the appropriate Police.  And other places.
Special Branch read what I wrote. (disclosed at later interview on a 
different matter).  Did nothing.

Ilyan  (date lost in transfer from a Beeb to a PC).

ana wrote:

>Hi
>
>ilyan wrote:
>
>> have continued to seek participants. The Portuguese experience
>>suggests that it is not possible to have a fully open site, they had to 
>>merge.  But
>>
>t really saddens me to see that you have hardly understood my email, 
>ilyan. i explained what happened with portugal. if it suggests anything, 
>it suggest that an imc can not survive with few people, it needs lots. 
>yes they had to merge or dissapear. not because it was an open site, but 
>because it was too few of them. do you get the point?
>
I draw different conclusion about the end of Portugal, we need far more 
facts before a proper judgement can be reached.  
I have to consider the disappearance of their statement of intent as 
sinister.   Possibly part of a plan to make Indymedias ineffective.
Regards
Ilyan

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