[Imc-cymru] FYI -- Standing at the Crossroads - of Geopolitics and Religion

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Mark Walter Evans wrote:
> /This article addresses some of the obscure points in common, in the 
> alliance of the American "Christian Right" with the Likudniks. At the 
> intersection of politics and religion, the author suggests that the 
> Anglo-American financial interests who published and promoted the 
> Scofield Reference Bible, (1909) were ultimately interested in the Oil 
> of the Middle East. The "notes" in the Scofield Bible are 
> extra-biblical, and heretical - the "spin" on "prophesy" contained in 
> them might actually have been a devious long-term scenario - under the 
> cover of "fulfilling prophesy" - for an eventual grab of end-game Oil...
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> * ** Standing at the Crossroads ­
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>     of Geopolitics and Religion
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> /by/ /Mark Walter Evans
>
> /There is an unpleasant explanation for the reason why Ehud Olmert is 
> aggravating an already explosive situation in the Levant. It is 
> something that is almost /never/ addressed in the mainstream mass 
> media ­ though often, it is promoted in American ³Christian² media. It 
> is hardly a secret in the Middle East.
>
> Just Google : _River_, _Egypt_, _Euphrates_, or the exact phrase: 
> ³_Nile to the_ _Euphrates_² - scroll down, and study the vast number 
> of articles that come up; well over thirty thousand ­ from all over 
> the Spectrum, and from many points of view ­ and you will begin to see 
> another aspect to this whole picture; perhaps not ³the rest of the 
> story,² but a big partŠ
>
> Yes, it is true that a huge percentage of the people in the Levant ­ 
> Arabs and Jews alike just want to live in peace, and would love to see 
> an end to the seemingly endless cycles of war, and escalating 
> conflict. But the hardliners on both sides ­ those who are ³filled 
> with passionate intensity,² are willing and wanting to have it out ­ 
> and thus a minority ­ who nevertheless control the balance of power - 
> make it possible for something resembling the prophesied, biblical 
> Armageddon to eventually happen.
>
> The Oil sheiks of Saudi Arabia, and the Emirs of the Gulf States - who 
> underwrite the pensions that fall to the families of the disposable 
> ³suicide bombers,² and the Mullahs of Iran who sponsor Hezbollah, bear 
> a very certain guilt, for their role. And the notion of ³driving the 
> Jews into the sea² ­ or at least, back to Brooklyn ­ is an idea that 
> resonates with an increasing number of Arabs in the Middle East.
>
> So there are two sides to this, yes - it takes /two/ to tango - but 
> the sad truth of the matter is that Arab antipathy to Zionism, in the 
> first place, was nothing more than a /reaction/ ­ the inevitable 
> Hegelian /Antithesis/, to the Zionists¹ stated agenda of taking the 
> terrain from the /³River of Egypt to the Euphrates/./² / This is 
> revealed in the text of Alfred Lilienthal¹s famous interview with King 
> Saud of Saudi Arabia, back in 1954. 
> _http://www.alfredlilienthal.com/greaterisrael.htm_,
>
> Today, in 2006, it is the in hardliners of the Likud, and powerful 
> ideological factions in Israel, like /Bead Artzein/, 
> _http://utenti.lycos.it/Delenda_Carthago/israel_010904.htmll_
> and the [Rabbi] Kook faction - the ³Greater Israel,² tradition within 
> the Orthodox, 
> _http://www.geocities.com/alabasters_archive/gush_underground.htmll_, 
> who support this latest bombing and invasion of Lebanon, which must, 
> given the desperate straits of their situation, represent their final 
> ­ and last - attempt to achieve a Jewish Empire in the Middle East. 
> This agenda has been discussed among the cognoscenti, in Israel: 
> _http://www.theunjustmedia.com/the%20zionist_plan_for_the_middle_east.htm_, 
> and also, promoted among the Christian Zionists, mostly in America : 
> _http://www.israelrestored.com,_
>
> To the hardliners in Israel, Ariel Sharon fell short of attaining the 
> /Prize./ There are people in Israel who still speak of Lebanon as 
> /the/ Lebanon ­ not a sovereign nation, but as a territory to be 
> assimilated, and incorporated into Greater Israel. These folks are 
> energetically supported by an ³unholy alliance² with millions of 
> American Christian fundamentalists.
>
> It is a curious fact that the Agenda, and the territorial imperative 
> of the Israeli hardliners, hinging on what many theologians consider 
> to be a false interpretation of one Scripture in the book of Genesis, 
> dovetails neatly with the doctrines that many fundamentalist 
> Christians in America have been taught in their Sunday schools -- that 
> the promise made by God to Abraham, in /Genesis 15 : 18,/ /³Š to your 
> seed will I give the Land, from the brook of Egypt to the great river, 
> the river EuphratesŠ²/ was made, not to all of Abraham¹s descendents, 
> but specifically only to Abraham¹s ³seed,² which they interpret as 
> being God¹s ³Chosen² seed; that is, to Isaac, not Ishmael; to Jacob, 
> not Esau.
>
> To some fundamentalists, the political fulfillment of these conquests, 
> by Israel, is a necessary pre-requisite for the coming of the 
> ³Millennium;² indeed, they believe LORD Jesus Christ ( seven years 
> after the mythical ³Rapture²) will descend to rule the nations with a 
> rod of iron from the platform of this expanded kingdom the Israelis 
> intend to incorporate. At the risk of sounding portentous, this ugly 
> mingling of what are obviously crass imperialist objectives, with 
> bible prophecy, is dark, dangerous, and yes, deliberate heresy.
>
> The roots of this heresy - including the notorious doctrine of a 
> ³Secret Rapture² of the church - go back to the early 
> eighteen-thirties, to the pulpit of a charismatic young preacher named 
> Edward Irving, in London. Much of what he preached originated from the 
> pen of a Jesuit named Manuel de Lacunza. Irving died young, but one of 
> his converts, an Anglo-Norman noble, John Nelson D¹Arby - financed by 
> a banker named Henry Drummond - was sent to America, to spread the new 
> doctrines, and make converts. As Donald Wagner, an American protestant 
> (Wesleyan) theologian, critical of the Darbyite fundamentalists, writes:
>
> /³Š [ an early ] Darby disciple, William E. BlackstoneŠ organized the 
> first Zionist lobbying effort in the U.S. in 1891 when he enlisted J. 
> P. Morgan, John D. Rockefeller, Charles B. Scribner and other 
> financiers to underwrite a massive newspaper campaign requesting 
> President Benjamin Harrison to support the establishment of a Jewish 
> state in PalestineŠ²
>
> ³ Darby¹s ideas became a central feature in the teachings of many of 
> the great preachers of the 1880-1900 period, including evangelists 
> Dwight L. Moody and Billy Sunday, the major Presbyterian preacher 
> James Brooks, Philadelphia radio preacher Harry B. Ironsides, and 
> Cyrus I. Scofield. When Scofield applied Darby s eschatology to the 
> Bible, the result was a superimposed outline of premillennial 
> dispensationalist notations on the Biblical text, known as the 
> Scofield BibleŠ²
>
> /In 1908, several Anglo-Zionist friends of that noted Baptist Sunday 
> School teacher, John D. Rockefeller (who subsequently promoted it, big 
> time) persuaded the Dons of Oxford to publish the /Scofield Annotated 
> Reference Bible/. On both sides of the Atlantic there were men of 
> finance, with interests in Oil, whose quick minds recognized within 
> the subtext of Scofield¹s /spin/ on Bible Prophesy, a subtle 
> subterfuge, and justification for the future grab of a vast terrain of 
> Mid-East Oil. In this scenario, the Zionists would become the marcher 
> lords, in Palestine. The Dons of Oxford, who had spawned Cecil Rhodes, 
> and soon became partial beneficiaries of his Trust, were quite willing 
> to sponsor the ³ low church² revisions, and alterations to traditional 
> Church of England doctrine that the ³notes² of Scofield presented, 
> because the /Prize/ of Oil beckoned in the desert.
>
> Wagner continues,/ Œ...Gradually, the Scofield Bible became the only 
> version used by most evangelical and fundamentalist Christians for the 
> next 95 years.² 
> /_http://www.cnep.org/churchorgs/methodist/CZionism-Wagner1.doc, ._ And,
>
> /³Š It is interesting to note that the popular edition of the Scofield 
> Reference Bible was published in 1917 coinciding with the Balfour 
> Declaration and in the words of Lord Cecil, 'the rebirth of a nation¹; 
> the youth edition of Scofield with the War of Independence in 1948; 
> and the 'new' edition of Scofield with the occupation of Jerusalem and 
> the West Bank in 1967.² /_http://www.cc-vw.org/articles/history1.html,
>
> _This is the subtle root of why the ³Rapturists² & the 
> ³Christian-Zionists,² who have been brainwashed by decades of 
> preaching emanating from this corrupt fountain, justify every dark 
> deed that is done by the Israeli Defense Forces. By all means read the 
> article, ³ /Why Judeo-Christians Support War./² There is deep 
> information therein: _http://www.serendipity.li/zonism/carlson01.htm, _
> The roots of what is common in the ideologies of the Darbyites and the 
> Likudniks reach back into the past. But 1977 was the year of their 
> ³coming out.²
>
> But Alas, the terrain from the Brook of Egypt ( perhaps the Suez - 
> there is some debate on this point ) to the Euphrates, is already 
> inhabited by the descendants of Abraham ­ for the most part, /Arabs/. 
> The hard-liner Likudniks want - and their ³Christian Zionist² allies 
> expect, it to be inhabited by the ³chosen² descendants, that¹s all.
>
> And, in concert with the current agenda of the Oil Cartels, they 
> anticipate the whole Middle East to be largely depopulated of its 
> troublesome natives, and be turned, conveniently, into a pumping 
> station for Big Oil, which Israel will then control a cut of. 
> Something in it for you - something in it for us - but a formula for 
> /Genocide/. To accomplish this, Iran must be drawn out, and baited 
> into a confrontation. Not a very difficult feat -- /Persia/, after 
> all, is one of the players in the Gog-Magog War against Israel.( 
> Ezekiel 38 :5 )
>
> After the mess is all over, those Palestinians who survive will be 
> ³transferred² to their new ³state² beyond the Euphrates, in what is 
> left of what is now Iraq. I kid you not. Such things are on the table 
> at the State Department, and are being seriously advocated and 
> promoted, behind closed doors, no less, by members of the Jewish lobby 
> (AIPAC) in Washington. Such things are well known throughout the 
> Middle East. 
> _http://mideastchristians.virtualactivism.net/newsarticles/bookreviews/bookreview.htmm, 
> _
>
>
> The Israelis have technology that is /exotic/, and under-reported. - 
> Lazar-guided ³vacuum-bombs,² such as were successfully experimented 
> with, and fired from F-16¹s - and which utterly imploded and 
> disintegrated whole apartment buildings in Beirut - during the first 
> invasion of Lebanon by the Israelis, in 1982. 
> _http://www.inminds.co.uk/from-beirut-to-jerusalem.html, _In all 
> probability, Damascus, Amman and Riyadh, and no doubt, Mecca and 
> Medina have already been ²wired for sound² by the Mossad, with 
> Neutron-disintegration bombs, which can turn cities back into the dust 
> of which they are made ­ these devices may, at the ³correct² 
> historical moment (the ³Sampson Option²) be detonated by merely 
> flicking a few switches in that big bunker on the road south of Beth 
> Shemesh, and - Poof ­ there will go Damascus, turned back into desert 
> sand. But, conveniently, fulfilling the prophesy in /Isaiah, 17 : 1, ³ 
> Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a 
> heap of ruins.² / 
> _http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/damascus-israel-isaiah-nuke.htm, _
>
> - Which, doubtless, will play /BIG/ in Peoria... After all - these 
> things are known, and believed, religiously, to be /God¹s Will/, by 
> millions of Christians in America, who, like the plebeians of ancient 
> Rome, conditioned and fed on bread and circuses, see the conflict in 
> the Middle East as if it were a big Football game, and will always 
> root for 
> Israel._http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/freligion/1665741/posts, _ 
> and, _www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1664483/posts, _
>
> ...As American Christian fundamentalist pilgrims, and local Jewish 
> Orthodox in Jerusalem, told me back in 1984, over and over again, ³ 
> The next items on the prophetic calendar are Isaiah 17 and Ezekiel 38, 
> & 39...²
>
> This next war will fulfill /Prophesy/, the dominionist radio preachers 
> in America never tire of hollering. And they are correct on that 
> point, though morally, I believe, they are on shaky ground, both 
> because the power brokers among them, as ³God¹s little helpers² - and 
> the power elite with whom these cadres are allied - have done their 
> damnedest to bloody well make this next war happen, and also because 
> they, collectively, are already complicit in the blood-guilt that the 
> on-going war in Iraq has engendered, because they fully approve of the 
> /Crusade/ aspect of Bush¹s */War On/*/ (of) *Terror*/, casualties be 
> damned. On this point, check out the book [published in 1983] by the 
> late Grace Halsell, ³/Prophesy and Politics ­ Militant Evangelicals On 
> the Road to Armageddon.²/ And, 
> _http://members.aol.com/gracehalsell/forcinggods.html, _
>
> Alas, many of the rank-in-file of the Church-in-America consume scraps 
> of prophesy as if they were t. v. dinners. To such, these matters are 
> largely rendered of their intrinsic, and very real horror, tragedy, 
> and human pathos ­ they have become, sadly, little more than 
> entertainment. Let¹s face it; Americans are voyeurs ­ who view the 
> world from the safety of their own living rooms, on the FOX Channel on 
> television.
>
> This sector of the American Church is largely guilty of complicity 
> with the crimes of Bush. But are not each one of us, as Americans - 
> Secular, Christian, and Jewish alike, individually responsible, in 
> part - if only because of our silence and apathy - for this horrific, 
> lurid, expanded war that is about to be loosed, if Bush, Inc., and 
> Israel are allowed to continue on this hubristic, tragic, and 
> imperialist course? Indeed, a Day of Reckoning surely shall come. 
> Alas, there is no time for the men who are in the White House to read, 
> understand, or glean any lessons from, /³_The_ _Guns _ _o_f 
> _Augus_t.²/ As the Bible says, truly, /³Pride goes before destruction, 
> and a haughty spirit before a fallŠ²
>
> /The existence of the ³unholy alliance² is well known - what is less 
> well known, and what requires further analysis, are the details of the 
> points of Ideology and Geopolitics which the Likudniks and the Fundies 
> have in common, and the threads which bind them. For further 
> information on the historical roots of Anglo-Zionism ­ and the whole 
> field is not without a certain degree of romance & poetry ­ you may 
> read the book /³_Bible_ _And_ _Sword_,_²_/ by Barbara Tuchman, if you 
> have time. Further information is here: 
> _http://www.bahethcenter.org/english/studies/studies/sm.htm, _ and : 
> _http://:www.cc-vw.org/articles/history1.html_,
>
> The unspoken, imperialist, ³Nile­to the-Euphrates² agenda of the Likud 
> hard-liners, the ³Kook² faction in Israel, and their Right-Wing 
> American Fundamentalist allies is, today, the stalking horse of Oil 
> Imperialism - which may accurately be termed *Anglo-Dutch / 
> American-Zionist* *Cartel-Imperialism*. -- Read the lead article on 
> the front page of the Wall Street Journal, on July 27, entitled "Holy 
> War." Truly, they /do/ forecast their devices.
>
> To call the present aerial bombardment & invasion of Lebanon a "Holy 
> War," is an abomination that violates all that is holy in Judaism - or 
> Christianity - which is, explicitly, to keep the Shema, the second 
> half of which commands us to love our neighbor as our self -- "And who 
> is my neighbor?" the young Pharisee asked Y'shua... Then He told the 
> parable of the Good Samaritan...
>
> A Samaritan, today, of course, corresponds to a Palestinian. So Jesus' 
> message, translated into today's terms, and for all Jews today, is 
> simply this : that old commandment, to "Love the LORD your G-D with 
> all your Heart, Soul, Mind, & Strength, and to Love your Neighbor as 
> Yourself." -- Yes, the Palestinian is your Neighbor, that shadow self 
> of yours, whom you will not love, whom you would drive away, out of 
> the Land of promise, whom you would send into a Babylonian exile, 
> beyond the Euphrates.
>
> -- And those so-called ³Christian Zionists² who blindly support the 
> state of Israel, right or wrong, in all the dark deeds of slaughter 
> and oppression that have been wrought upon the Semitic peasant 
> brethren of Israel in the Levant, since 1948, are blind to what Jesus 
> actually taught. It is time for serious Christians to seriously 
> question the ³Hebrew Zionist² axiom that ³A million Arab lives are not 
> worth one Jewish fingernail² -- for that is about as Big a Lie as Herr 
> Goebels ever cooked up. Indeed, it is totally contrary to the New 
> Testament, which states, ³There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is 
> neither slave nor free; there is neither male nor female, for you are 
> all one in Christ Jesus.²
>
> Although it is easy for the Secular to dismiss all Bible-believers ( & 
> Koran wavers, too) as madmen, in the face of such collective madness, 
> it is fair to say that not all evangelicals who believe in the future 
> inevitability of the Gog-Magog War of Ezekiel 38 & 39, are crazy. Some 
> are quite perceptive. Here, for example, is a website with an 
> intriguing, radical analysis : 
> _http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000171.htm
> http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000148.htm
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