[Imc-cymru] Action network

[Genny]

Hi

Ilyan wrote: "As anyone can already post anything they like on the UK site until it is hidden, 
putting up a welsh section is a bit pointless, particularly as it involves paying your way with 
doing a share of the hiding on the UK site, and people seem unwilling to do that."

Just to clarify - there has been recent discussion on the imc-uk features list about regional uk 
sites and hiding items. Regional collectives can have a broader set of guidelines and may choose to 
display news items which are hidden on the uk newswire.  So items hidden on the uk newswire won't 
automatically be hidden on the Wales newswire (assuming the Wales regional box has been ticked in 
the first place).  I do not therefore agree that putting up a welsh section is pointless.

Speaking for myself, I'm happy to help with the work on the uk newswire.  We'll be getting lots of 
technical help and support from the uk network, we'll be using the uk server and so on.  I don't 
have a problem with the regional collective taking a share the admin. work in a spirit of mutual 
help and co-operation.

Ilyan - I don't feel it's helpful or acceptable to make comments like this: "The Indycymru Editors 
did not apply to become part of the United Konformists you seem so keen to join" in your reply to 
Kelvin.  You have made your views on the uk network clear on numerous occasions - expressing them in 
this insulting way is unnecessary.


To remind people: this list is working on an indycymru site, which will not be a part of 
www.indymedia.org.uk.  There are other regional sites (Bristol, York, one of the Scotland sites) 
which already work in this way.  The previous indycymru site was also independent of uk indymedia.

There is a separate list of people working on an indymedia site for wales within uk (united 
kollectives) indymedia.  If you want to work on this, please join this list: 
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-wales.

This is not necessarily a case of one or the other - we may well end up with two sites for wales, 
one within uk indymedia and one independent site which may or may not be part of global indymedia (I 
think this is right - please correct me if I've got this wrong, Ilyan).

Genny



Ilyan wrote:
> Dear Kelvin,
> 
>  I take it you are unlikely to go to Cilmeri on Saturday.  Or to go to 
> the South Wales Linux Users Group in Carmarthen Wetherspoons on the 
> evening of the 19th.  I intend to be at those.  
> 
> In case you do not know- UK is does not stand for United Kingdom, but 
> United Kollectives.  
> 
> Building a new Indycymru site  starts when it is known if it can be an 
> indymedia linked site.   Basically we await a formal rejection to the  
> application, if they were going to approve we should have heard by now. 
>    The Indycymru Editors did not apply to become part of the United 
> Konformists you seem so keen to join.  Indycymru  ran for about  four 
> years before the sabotage that occurred soon after Indycymru's IMC 
> application was sent in.
> 
> As anyone can already post anything they like on the UK site until it is 
> hidden, putting up a welsh section is a bit pointless, particularly as 
> it involves paying your way with doing a share of the hiding on the UK 
> site, and people seem unwilling to do that.    
> 
> What is hidden comes up on 
> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/viewallposts.html  but they limit the 
> number that can be seen,  they soon vanish into just numbers.  So it is 
> difficult to follow discussions and argument - they hide anything that 
> is not "News".    It is not like Indycymru was where there was a long 
> list of the archive in date order anyone could call up to follow or 
> contribute an argument.    I only know of one item (Greenwar Gathering 
> announcement) that was taken down from there - I believe by someone who 
> was later an Editor in UKindymedia.   Though the draft of a document in 
> process of being written to persuade Free Wales Army people to take a 
> stronger anti-racist line was dumped by an unknown person -probably the 
> same one.
> 
> As far as I am concerned Indycymu disseminated ideas.   That is not a 
> function of UK
> And indycymru gave support to all the Nations in the same conquered 
> condition as Wales.   The Basques, West Papua, Hawaii, Bougainville, etc 
> etc.  So who do you think were the people who did the sabotage?   
> Reactionary Imperialists determined to 'pacify' the resistance to  a 
> Capitalism that Blair now evolves into Fascism?
> 
> Ilyan
> 
>