[Imc-cymru] Action network

[Ilyan]

Hi
I have been following imc-features for years and am well aware that the 
regional versus central editing problem is being discussed,  it may need 
a change in the software to rectify satisfactorily.  People intent on 
joining a Wales UK should sign up in imc-features for themselves and get 
in the flow of that and be prepared to become UK editors,  they do need 
more competent editors.

Genny - You can take the truth as an insult if you like, there was only 
one of the people listed in Indycymru as an Editor who suggested being 
part of UK, there were
 no blockers to the proposal that was sent in.   I see that Italy has 
closed down for a rethink.   Perhaps they are realising that the 
Indymedia Newswire approach does nothing to Stop War, nor to prevent the 
mad rush to Mass Extinction.   It will be interesting to see if they 
come up with a resurrection closer to the Indycymru alteration to the 
original Portuguese plan.
Ilyan





Genny wrote:
> Hi
>
> Ilyan wrote: "As anyone can already post anything they like on the UK site until it is hidden, 
> putting up a welsh section is a bit pointless, particularly as it involves paying your way with 
> doing a share of the hiding on the UK site, and people seem unwilling to do that."
>
> Just to clarify - there has been recent discussion on the imc-uk features list about regional uk 
> sites and hiding items. Regional collectives can have a broader set of guidelines and may choose to 
> display news items which are hidden on the uk newswire.  So items hidden on the uk newswire won't 
> automatically be hidden on the Wales newswire (assuming the Wales regional box has been ticked in 
> the first place).  I do not therefore agree that putting up a welsh section is pointless.
>
> Speaking for myself, I'm happy to help with the work on the uk newswire.  We'll be getting lots of 
> technical help and support from the uk network, we'll be using the uk server and so on.  I don't 
> have a problem with the regional collective taking a share the admin. work in a spirit of mutual 
> help and co-operation.
>
> Ilyan - I don't feel it's helpful or acceptable to make comments like this: "The Indycymru Editors 
> did not apply to become part of the United Konformists you seem so keen to join" in your reply to 
> Kelvin.  You have made your views on the uk network clear on numerous occasions - expressing them in 
> this insulting way is unnecessary.
>
>
> To remind people: this list is working on an indycymru site, which will not be a part of 
> www.indymedia.org.uk.  There are other regional sites (Bristol, York, one of the Scotland sites) 
> which already work in this way.  The previous indycymru site was also independent of uk indymedia.
>
> There is a separate list of people working on an indymedia site for wales within uk (united 
> kollectives) indymedia.  If you want to work on this, please join this list: 
> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-wales.
>
> This is not necessarily a case of one or the other - we may well end up with two sites for wales, 
> one within uk indymedia and one independent site which may or may not be part of global indymedia (I 
> think this is right - please correct me if I've got this wrong, Ilyan).
>
> Genny
>
>
>
> Ilyan wrote:
>   
>> Dear Kelvin,
>>
>>  I take it you are unlikely to go to Cilmeri on Saturday.  Or to go to 
>> the South Wales Linux Users Group in Carmarthen Wetherspoons on the 
>> evening of the 19th.  I intend to be at those.  
>>
>> In case you do not know- UK is does not stand for United Kingdom, but 
>> United Kollectives.  
>>
>> Building a new Indycymru site  starts when it is known if it can be an 
>> indymedia linked site.   Basically we await a formal rejection to the  
>> application, if they were going to approve we should have heard by now. 
>>    The Indycymru Editors did not apply to become part of the United 
>> Konformists you seem so keen to join.  Indycymru  ran for about  four 
>> years before the sabotage that occurred soon after Indycymru's IMC 
>> application was sent in.
>>
>> As anyone can already post anything they like on the UK site until it is 
>> hidden, putting up a welsh section is a bit pointless, particularly as 
>> it involves paying your way with doing a share of the hiding on the UK 
>> site, and people seem unwilling to do that.    
>>
>> What is hidden comes up on 
>> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/viewallposts.html  but they limit the 
>> number that can be seen,  they soon vanish into just numbers.  So it is 
>> difficult to follow discussions and argument - they hide anything that 
>> is not "News".    It is not like Indycymru was where there was a long 
>> list of the archive in date order anyone could call up to follow or 
>> contribute an argument.    I only know of one item (Greenwar Gathering 
>> announcement) that was taken down from there - I believe by someone who 
>> was later an Editor in UKindymedia.   Though the draft of a document in 
>> process of being written to persuade Free Wales Army people to take a 
>> stronger anti-racist line was dumped by an unknown person -probably the 
>> same one.
>>
>> As far as I am concerned Indycymu disseminated ideas.   That is not a 
>> function of UK
>> And indycymru gave support to all the Nations in the same conquered 
>> condition as Wales.   The Basques, West Papua, Hawaii, Bougainville, etc 
>> etc.  So who do you think were the people who did the sabotage?   
>> Reactionary Imperialists determined to 'pacify' the resistance to  a 
>> Capitalism that Blair now evolves into Fascism?
>>
>> Ilyan
>>
>>
>>     
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