[Imc-cymru] Imc-cymru Digest, Vol 34, Issue 1
harry at wildwestwales.com
harry at wildwestwales.com
Thu Nov 30 15:50:25 PST 2006
For pity's sake please stop this craziness now and let us
have a way forward. Poring over the entrails of the
previous failure gets us nowhere. I support Genny's
laudable attempt to get an Indymedia presence established
in Wales with as many threads as the people want to run
with. If I get any more of these paranoia filled emails I
will take myself off the list completely, and I have no
doubt many others will join me.
Peace, Love and bright moments to all who want a better
world,
Harry Rogers
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:01:14 -0800
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> 1. Re: [Imc-uk-features] regional autonomy/hiding
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> 356155) (Ilyan)
> 2. Re: [Imc-uk-features] regional autonomy/hiding
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> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:30:13 +0000
>From: Ilyan <ac.thomas at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] [Imc-uk-features] regional
>autonomy/hiding
> (was: Hidden 356155)
> To: imc-uk-features at lists.indymedia.org
> Cc: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
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> Indycymru ran for four years as a would be indymedia,
> publishing
> everything legal submitted. Nothing hidden, much
>argument.
> Eventually there were enough Editors to meet the IMC
>criteria and an
> application
> <http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-cymru/2006-February/0214-ip.html>
> agreed and put in for proper imc links. Odd things
>then happened.
>
> The site was sabotaged, according to the Techie, the
>whole archive was
> scrambled.
> If you will go look in the Wayback Machine, there are
>some Indymedia
> entries - very edited, Greenwar has been expunged. I
>have not had the
> time to go see if the stuff from DarkerCloud is there.
> There was no reply from new-imc.
> An agent of UK made determined efforts to make Wales a
>part of UK, and
> eventually repeated previous lies about Indycymru.
> A flood of new people joined the imc list used by
>Indycymru, they seem
> to have hived off with a new UKwales list and plans to
>become UKedited
> like Nottingham.
> Different people's hard drives crashed.
>
> There will be an Indycymru meeting at Cilmeri from 10.30
>am on Saturday
> 9th December 2006. Or later if people want to take in
>the remarkable
> Church proceedings.
>
> Ilyan
>
>
>
>
> Genny wrote:
>> Hi Wietse & all
>>
>> I'm watching this conversation with interest as it has a
>>direct bearing on our plans to get an indymedia site for
>>Wales. I'm not at all sure that a site with a narrow
>>activist focus will work here. There are all sorts of
>>people and groups, under- or un-represented in the
>>mainstream media, doing stuff which is important to them
>>and which they may like to report themselves on an
>>independent media site. I would like them to feel
>>welcome to do so.
>> I can see why people don't want the uk newswire
>>cluttered up with loads of small local things, but it
>>will be a real loss imo if imc regions can't continue to
>>publish these stories and offer a more inclusive form of
>>indymedia.
>>
>> Genny
>>
>> WietsE wrote:
>>
>>> > phunkee at aktivix.org wrote:
>>>
>>>> >> sorry to hear about the apparent mixup with people
>>>>hiding stuff on your newswire
>>>> >> because of the way we collectively moderate stuff,
>>>>but it does beg the question
>>>> >> as to why they were hidden in the first place.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From what i can see, they don't really fit
>>>>indymedia's editorial conditions at
>>>> >> all. I didn't hide them but i can't really blame the
>>>>imcista that did because
>>>> >> they don't appear to have any political content apart
>>>>from the second post that
>>>> >> promotes Critical Mass a little. It's all well and
>>>>good promoting 'community
>>>> >> news' but if it's devoid of any bigger political
>>>>picture or critique, then
>>>> >> what's it doing on any of our newswires?
>>>>
>>> >
>>> > So maybe the question remains as to whether regional
>>>collectives can
>>> > decide to run their sites or if they are still bound
>>>my UK Indymedia
>>> > guidelines and decisions. I am fighting the corner for
>>>Notts as I know
>>> > people here want to connect the 'political' and
>>>activisty issues with
>>> > wider community concerns and events. Having made this
>>>decision, meant
>>> > that a more diverse group of people got online and
>>>involved with the
>>> > site. Not just activists or people interested in
>>>'political
>>> > issues'.
>>> >
>>> > How about the numerous photo reports Tash and others
>>>have made about the
>>> > eco building currently being build in Nottingham:
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/06/343763.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/02/333761.html
>>> >
>>> > Surely these clog up the servers. And what about all
>>>these 'non
>>> > political' community related events people have
>>>reported on in the past
>>> > on the Notts newswire:
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/10/353714.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/10/353738.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/10/352949.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/10/352970.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/10/352593.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/08/348402.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/08/348381.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/08/348423.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/08/348445.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/08/348508.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/08/348529.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/06/342186.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/04/338547.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/03/336116.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/02/332990.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2006/01/331089.html
>>> >
>>>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2005/12/329787.html
>>> >
>>> > Should they all be hidden?
>>> >
>>> > If we talk about giving people who are marginalized in
>>>the mainstream
>>> > media a voice than we should include way more groups
>>>and communities
>>> > than we currently do. Some of us try to make an effort
>>>to get stories
>>> > from different communities heard. The Asian Mela, the
>>>Chinese New Year,
>>> > the Sikh Vaisakhi parade and the Nworz celebrations
>>>which marks the
>>> > start of the new year for Iranian, Afghan and Kurd
>>>community are just a
>>> > few examples of things this summer. Now how
>>>'political' is it to try and
>>> > include these people? One could argue it is hardly
>>>'political' and that
>>> > Indymedia isn't there to report on (religious) events
>>>like these. Well
>>> > they are part of the community we live in and to
>>>(unlike the mainstream)
>>> > give a representation of what really happens here, we
>>>are happy for this
>>> > to be on the site.
>>> >
>>> > For me, this is the challenge that Indymedia faces.
>>>Unless the wider
>>> > Indymedia (especially in the UK) gets more involvement
>>>from a wider part
>>> > of society than we have failed to make it as open,
>>>accessible and broad
>>> > as we hopefully like it to be.
>>> >
>>> > I have to say that I'm utterly disappointed by some
>>>peoples attitude
>>> > towards this issue and in some way I am less and less
>>>interested in
>>> > doing stuff for Indymedia as the project just seems to
>>>get stuck on its
>>> > non-ability to reach out to a wider and diverse
>>>audience.
>>> >
>>> > Wietse
>>> >
>>> >
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:43:58 +0000
>From: ana <anap at riseup.net>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] [Imc-uk-features] regional
>autonomy/hiding
> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> Cc: imc-uk-features at lists.indymedia.org
> Message-ID: <456E375E.1050503 at riseup.net>
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> Hi
>
> Just for the record really, and not wanting to inflame
>anything on a
> list that really is not for this discussion. I will not
>reply to any
> further emails on the subject.
>
> Ilyan wrote:
>> [...]
>
>> There was no reply from new-imc.
>>
> Yes there was. That was me.
>> An agent of UK made determined efforts to make Wales a
>>part of UK,
> Hey that must refer to me! I am amused by the "an agent
>of UK"
> expression. The archives are there, I presented the
>possibilities for a
> new indymedia in wales with its pros and cons. The
>decision is the
> group's as I made clear.
>> and
>> eventually repeated previous lies about Indycymru.
>>
> Ein? Well just look at the archives - maybe process list
>is the place to
> search for mails on the subject, apart from the cymru
>list of course.
>> A flood of new people joined the imc list used by
>>Indycymru,
> Invited by people with the energy to steer up the
>process to create an
> imc for wales.
>> they seem
>> to have hived off with a new UKwales list
> because the cymru list became unusuable due to
>disruption - again, check
> the archives if curious.
>> and plans to become UKedited
>> like Nottingham.
>>
> And we shall respect their autonomy :-p
>
>> [...]
>
> Again - please do not expect me to follow on this
>thread. Thanks.
>
> ana
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