[Imc-cymru] an indymedia united kollectives site for Wales
ilyan
ac.thomas at ntlworld.com
Mon Sep 11 07:43:54 PDT 2006
Another date for Social Forum Cymru to avoid is whenever the IMC network
group meeting Ana mentioned is. or vice versa. Or make it a joint
meeting. (Trip to Nairobi for World Social Forum?)
Ana has pointed out that the website options are not mutually
exclusive. Unless the IMC application software is haywire, there is a
nitpicking IndyCymru application in, waiting processing, that largely
conforms to their bureaucracy. - There could certainly be any other
site anyone cares to set up, and there will be no bureaucracy involved
if it is a section within United Kollectives and you accept their
censorship..
I wrote that and then saw that Genny is very happy with UK censorship,
is that said after having been subscribed to the IMC features list for
years and followed up lots of what they have hidden?
Bytheway, Anarchists can speak for an Anarchist, it is not safe for any
Anarchist to speak for all Anarchists.
There was an open publishing site running in Wales for about four years,
whoever sabotaged it was almost certainly on this list.
Earth First Journal is desperate for Editors willing to live in Tucson.
see http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/involved.shtml . See their main
site even if you are not looking for a job.
Regards
Ilyan
CymruEuropaPress wrote:
> My machine played some dervish tricks there I'll try sending it again.
>
> */CymruEuropaPress <waleseuropa at yahoo.co.uk>/* wrote:
>
> Genny, Gwent Anarchists, Seren, Ilyan.
>
> Genny wrote on Sat 9th Sept
> 'Well I guess it needs a lot more discussion.....'
> *(BrAuM) It appears to - given the will.
>
> 'I hadn't appreciated the politics of indymedia verses some other
> form of independent media and the national issue etc,....'
> *(BAM)1. A Social Forum Cymru is in process of development now
> since the SFC event in Aberystwyth www.socialforumcymru.org.uk
> <http://www.socialforumcymru.org.uk/> .
> This is a Welsh National Forum, just as is the 'National Assembly
> for(!) Wales' is a Welsh National organisation.
> 2.The politics of an Independent Media based on the
> SocialForumCymru Forum hosted at:
> www.cynefinywerin.org.uk/forum/
> <http://www.cynefinywerin.org.uk/forum/> was dicussed at
> Aberystwyth. This concept is based on the politics of the Social
> Forum movement (see www.worldsocialforum.org
> <http://www.worldsocialforum.org/>
> - 'Charter of Principles').
> It's a NEW concept and, to my knowledge, was first muted from an
> Irish-Iraqi-Welsh collaboration there. It has since been developed
> a little at meetings at the European Social Forum in Athina/Athens
> last May as a Welsh and European possibility and will be developed
> further at the European Peparatory Assembly(ESF) in Frankfurt
> 3rd-5th November.
>
> 'will I be able to post something to uk indymedia & just press a
> button to send it to the Wales site.....'
> *(BAM) The SFCymru 'Forum Newsline' (SFC-FN)Group is, to my
> knowledge, in favour of a link from and to Indymedia uk, but Anna
> writes that ' there needs to be a Wales site INSIDE the uk site
> for this to happen...'
>
> Anna wrote:
> 'I still would like there to be some Welsh-oriented site on
> Indymedia uk.....Who is in opposition to that happening and on
> what grounds ?...'
> *(BAM)The SFC-FN Group is in favour of developing an Independent
> Media based on the Activist Networks increasingly organising in
> Social Forums as with SFCymru.
> We think that this is a More Effective Model in developing a
> serious challenge to Corporate (including State) Media domination
> in Wales.(We do in fact see it as media aimed at the mass of the
> Welsh population - not just at activists.
> Anna, do you think the Indymedia uk model is more effective in
> being able to achieve this ? What are your arguments for there to
> be a Welsh-oriented site on the indy uk site? We would certainly
> appreciate your skills in developing our concept (and existing
> 'International, European and National News' space on our site.
>
> We do not see the question of the Welsh Language as the main issue
> in relation to building our site. We have support from people in
> various Welsh language outfits for our Social Forum political
> orientation on this.
>
> Gwent Anarchists, Seren - We would appreciate some discussion on
> these issues -with arguments in favour and against.
>
> Ilyan has expressed interest in coming to the SFC-FN Group
> meeting (availability of the IT people being the unknown at
> present, but I will give details when available - and have noted
> the dates of the Anarchist Book Fair) I warmly invite all people
> on this list to join us at this next meeting.
> I also warmly invite all to contribute NOW to the SFC Forum with
> their NEWS, EVENTS, COMMENTS etc,.
>
> Hwyl, Salud, Cheers -BottomsUp,
> BranAurMariachi. xxx
>
>
> */Genny Bove <vg at genny.force9.co.uk>/* wrote:
>
> So what do we need to do next?
>
> Gwent Anarchists wrote:
>> 100% backed!
>>
>> */serencymru at phonecoop.coop/* wrote:
>>
>> I've been following the discussion and don't really
>> understand why
>> there has to be a hold up. There are activists in Wales
>> willing to do
>> the work, Indymedia UK is presumably in favour of
>> diversity and
>> reflecting what's going on in Wales, the technology is
>> there and,
>> bob's your uncle - off we go!
>>
>> Ana has made some very positive concrete proposals as has
>> Genny. I am
>> happy to contribute to Indymedia Cymru and think the
>> people who run
>> these things should know how we feel.
>>
>> There has been a fair bit of negativity on this board in
>> the past,
>> mainly over fairly obscure technical matters. I don't
>> think we've got
>> time to be divided on such petty matters, comrades. Far
>> better to
>> have a platform (even if there are others, the more the
>> merrier) to
>> reflect the increasing amount of environmental,
>> anti-capitalist and
>> pro-democracy struggles taking place in Wales.
>>
>> On the matter of language, I think we should show
>> flexibility. If
>> there are people willing to post in Welsh and who can
>> provide a
>> translation, then that should be on Indymedia Cymru.
>> We're a nation
>> of two national language (as well as several others) and
>> a democratic
>> voice should reflect that wherever possible. But a
>> monolingual
>> platform is better, at this stage, than none at all.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Seren
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