[Imc-cymru] Moving on

[ana]

Hi Ilyan and all,

I will clarify just the points that have to do with indymedia
principles; accusations of lies and other things, I don't think they are
constructive, I think they put people off and the intention of this list
is to converge people to achieve a defined task, and not put them/us off
with accusations or paranoias.

People on this list are trying to have an articulate conversation in
order to have an indymedia page that will cover Wales. Continuous
references to censorship in uk indymedia and to some other websites that
aren't even in the indymedia network is disruptive of the objective of
this list. It is not constructive and has the potential of putting
people off - so let's avoid that and let's concentrate our energies in
this great project that is the creation of a page.

You have said on this list twice since I have subscribed that you are
'ok' with an indymedia from wales within the uk indymedia "as long as"
it doesn't have cymru in the name.

It is up to the group who will actually work on that website to decide
on the name, and no one not working collaboratively on the creation and
future maintaining of that website should be imposing how it can or can
not be named. This is what the first one of the Indymedia Principles of
Unity is about...

BTW it would be good if all, newcomers and otherwise, could read some
documentation. The most basic one is the principles of unity and
membership criteria , which have been approved by all joining
indymedias. links..

https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/PrinciplesOfUnity
https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/MembershipCriteria

Feel free to translate to Welsh and publish in the wiki, and please ask
about formatting etc. if you don't manage to find instructions.

... and this is a new link: the FAQ

https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/FrequentlyAskedQuestionEn


When I say that you are the facto chucking people out, I refer to the
fact that people are already preparing the creation of another indymedia
list where they/we will be allowed to talk about the creation of this
new site without being disrupted with strange references, i.e. to be
focused in the task at hand, which is proving impossible on this list,
amongh other things because you keep being the moderator of this list
and are not allowing the new people who have shown enthusiasm with the
project to participate in that task. That is why people are having to
move away from this list.

Anyway, enough of negative stuff -

It would be nice if we can have an introduction round of the people who
have recently subscribed to the list - previous introductions can be
found in the archives, which you can find if you click on the link at
the bottom of this email.

... and if you hadn't had enough, here is a new page if you fancy reading:

https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcUK

Sorry for leaving it until the end - it is the one suited for this group
if it does decide it will go for "the uk option".

For the new people: the uk option, as opposed to the global option (i am
just making up these names right now) means to be accepted by the uk imc
network as opposed to by the global imc netwok. The processes are
different and the technical sides of things are different, but IMC uk is
governed by the global principles and criteria so in the end result,
politically there is no difference.

Also, one does not exclude the other, and there is no established
preference order. For example there is indymedia bristol, that passed
the global process but never the uk process, they have their own server,
site, database. they are still part of the uk network, and indeed they
hosted the last imc uk network [presential] (face to face) meeting.
There is then imc scotland, which has passed the global process and has
two site, one in their own server and one as a site within imc uk. Then
there are the rest that you can see on imc uk,
https://www1.indymedia.org.uk
London, Manchester, Oxford, Sheffield etc. (btw the names were always
decided by the group; there is no one outside groups that tell them how
to name themselves)
These are all sub-pages of imc uk, with their own middle columns, but
sharing the server and the database. Some of them have also passed the
global process, some have not. So it not either one or the other.

Also, for the new people. It is always useful to have some one on the
imc-uk-features list because
1. if you decide to go with imc uk, there is where decisions that will
affect your site are made - because the database is shared
2. if you decide to go solo, it will save you lots of learning time, to
see how editorial work is done in a big site.

It can be offputting specially at the beginning but please don't try to
find all advantages in going with uk and all disadvantages in going solo
or vice versa. Both options have prons and cons. More than anything
else, it is the practical factors that decide (do we have the technical
knowledge between us? do we need help? do we have the server? do we have
the people, the time?)

If you have read all the way to the end of this email, thank you :-)

ana