[Imc-cymru] Moving on

Thu Sep 28 05:49:47 PDT 2006

And I was one of those 12. It's my recollection also that an application had 
been put in, but to date no reply has been recieved.

Has it therefore been rejected?

Jim.

>From: Ilyan <ac.thomas at ntlworld.com>
>Reply-To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] Moving on
>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:37:51 +0100
>
>Ana
>There were about twelve people registered as Editors on Indycymru.  six
>or seven were active contributors,   I have sent you the emails of  most
>of those, they supported the application  when it was sent in.      So
>it is a valid application from a group who conform to the imc
>requirement.
>
>It is important for the good name of Indymedia that the application go
>ahead.     Are the United Konformists insisting there shall be no
>diversity?
>
>Let us have the formal rejection of the application if that is what it
>is to be..    This list was set up to facilitate an imc application from
>Indycymru.   that has been done.   A proper reply is awaited by a group
>who made an application..
>
>Every active Indycymru  participant bar two has been told the moderator
>password.    Three people have had the master password.
>
>Ilyan
>
>
>ana wrote:
> > Ilyan wrote:
> >
> >> Not so.  What I have said is that it does not call itself Indycymru,
> >> partly because that is the name of a site I have spent years building
> >> up,
> >>
> > Ok, apologies for misquoting. The naming convention in indymedia is not
> > indysite all one word, but rather indymedia <site>, or imc <site>
> >
> >> and because it has put in an application in to be an independent
> >> part of  Indymedia .
> >>
> > Ilyan, the way it was sent, it would never get through. I tried to
> > explain this. let's try again... it would need to be done by a group,
> > not an individual, filled the application here,
> > http://newimc.indymedia.org/
> > after going through the process described on the "EN" for English link.
> > My being here offering to help is actually part of that process. Once we
> > have covered some of the steps described in that page we can deal with
> > the technical faults of the form. In any case even if the form would
> > arrive to the new imc group it would be unlikely that some one other
> > than me could help. But of course you can try, and you can ask some one
> > else to help.
> >
> >
> >>   It was sent in to what we were told was the
> >> new-imc address in March.   It has since been re-submitted twice but
> >> there has been no response.  Instead there comes a sudden flood of
> >> people, some of them demanding that the Welsh National site subjugate
> >> itself to IndymediaUK .
> >>
> > I have already explained how wrong this mindset/set of believes is and I
> > don't think it is necessary to explain again. I find it hard to believe
> > that you have got this idea from coming to various indymedia uk network
> > meetings that have happened over the years. I was very glad to see that
> > you didn't seem to feel subjugated to indymedia uk or london when you
> > got on vehicles driven by uk people :-p
> >
> >> (when there is already an independent site in
> >> Bristol)
> >>
> >>
> > It would be great if people from imc wales offered to host the next imc
> > uk network meeting like bristol did - they did a wonderful job making
> > the last one happen. And this year it is happening in Nottingham because
> > it is a group that is also starting off and they want to use the network
> > meeting as a catalyst, so it would not be a bad thing at all to start
> > thinking about it :-)
> >
> >> Indycymru Editors are waiting for a response to their application.
> >>
> >> Is you task in hand to see that the potential for an independent welsh
> >> site following the Indycymru principles does not come to fullfillment?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I have come here to help set up an indymedia site. Any other sites,
> > including this "Indycymru" which is not an indymedia site, should not be
> > discussed in lists on this server.
> >
> >> Why write such absolute nonsense as:
> >>
> >>
> >>> because you keep being the moderator of this list
> >>> and are not allowing the new people who have shown enthusiasm with the
> >>> project to participate in that task.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>  Why make such a false claim?
> >>
> > Because people have told me off list that they have asked to be part of
> > the moderation of this list and have received a negative answer from
> > you. And because I have no reason to believe that they are lying.
> >
> > Indymedia work is based on trust - I believe you were in the network
> > meeting where this phrase was repeated and explained. And trust is
> > offered upfront, specially the Indycymru website has been the recipient
> > of that upfront trust of all groups. And any project that comes from
> > this list/group that bothers to call itself indymedia is already having
> > that trust, that is why I am here writing these emails trying to explain
> > to you what indymedia is about instead of doing anything else related to
> > other projects I am involved in.
> >
> > So your next question is senseless, and disruptive and I'm not going to
> > answer it. Let's have some articulate discussion instead of mutual
> > accusations, shall we?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > ana
> >
> >> Who are you trying to put off what?
> >>
> >> Ilyan
> >>
> >>
> >> ana wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Ilyan and all,
> >>>
> >>> I will clarify just the points that have to do with indymedia
> >>> principles; accusations of lies and other things, I don't think they 
>are
> >>> constructive, I think they put people off and the intention of this 
>list
> >>> is to converge people to achieve a defined task, and not put them/us 
>off
> >>> with accusations or paranoias.
> >>>
> >>> People on this list are trying to have an articulate conversation in
> >>> order to have an indymedia page that will cover Wales. Continuous
> >>> references to censorship in uk indymedia and to some other websites 
>that
> >>> aren't even in the indymedia network is disruptive of the objective of
> >>> this list. It is not constructive and has the potential of putting
> >>> people off - so let's avoid that and let's concentrate our energies in
> >>> this great project that is the creation of a page.
> >>>
> >>> You have said on this list twice since I have subscribed that you are
> >>> 'ok' with an indymedia from wales within the uk indymedia "as long as"
> >>> it doesn't have cymru in the name.
> >>>
> >>> It is up to the group who will actually work on that website to decide
> >>> on the name, and no one not working collaboratively on the creation 
>and
> >>> future maintaining of that website should be imposing how it can or 
>can
> >>> not be named. This is what the first one of the Indymedia Principles 
>of
> >>> Unity is about...
> >>>
> >>> BTW it would be good if all, newcomers and otherwise, could read some
> >>> documentation. The most basic one is the principles of unity and
> >>> membership criteria , which have been approved by all joining
> >>> indymedias. links..
> >>>
> >>> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/PrinciplesOfUnity
> >>> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/MembershipCriteria
> >>>
> >>> Feel free to translate to Welsh and publish in the wiki, and please 
>ask
> >>> about formatting etc. if you don't manage to find instructions.
> >>>
> >>> ... and this is a new link: the FAQ
> >>>
> >>> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/FrequentlyAskedQuestionEn
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> When I say that you are the facto chucking people out, I refer to the
> >>> fact that people are already preparing the creation of another 
>indymedia
> >>> list where they/we will be allowed to talk about the creation of this
> >>> new site without being disrupted with strange references, i.e. to be
> >>> focused in the task at hand, which is proving impossible on this list,
> >>> amongh other things because you keep being the moderator of this list
> >>> and are not allowing the new people who have shown enthusiasm with the
> >>> project to participate in that task. That is why people are having to
> >>> move away from this list.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, enough of negative stuff -
> >>>
> >>> It would be nice if we can have an introduction round of the people 
>who
> >>> have recently subscribed to the list - previous introductions can be
> >>> found in the archives, which you can find if you click on the link at
> >>> the bottom of this email.
> >>>
> >>> ... and if you hadn't had enough, here is a new page if you fancy 
>reading:
> >>>
> >>> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcUK
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for leaving it until the end - it is the one suited for this 
>group
> >>> if it does decide it will go for "the uk option".
> >>>
> >>> For the new people: the uk option, as opposed to the global option (i 
>am
> >>> just making up these names right now) means to be accepted by the uk 
>imc
> >>> network as opposed to by the global imc netwok. The processes are
> >>> different and the technical sides of things are different, but IMC uk 
>is
> >>> governed by the global principles and criteria so in the end result,
> >>> politically there is no difference.
> >>>
> >>> Also, one does not exclude the other, and there is no established
> >>> preference order. For example there is indymedia bristol, that passed
> >>> the global process but never the uk process, they have their own 
>server,
> >>> site, database. they are still part of the uk network, and indeed they
> >>> hosted the last imc uk network [presential] (face to face) meeting.
> >>> There is then imc scotland, which has passed the global process and 
>has
> >>> two site, one in their own server and one as a site within imc uk. 
>Then
> >>> there are the rest that you can see on imc uk,
> >>> https://www1.indymedia.org.uk
> >>> London, Manchester, Oxford, Sheffield etc. (btw the names were always
> >>> decided by the group; there is no one outside groups that tell them 
>how
> >>> to name themselves)
> >>> These are all sub-pages of imc uk, with their own middle columns, but
> >>> sharing the server and the database. Some of them have also passed the
> >>> global process, some have not. So it not either one or the other.
> >>>
> >>> Also, for the new people. It is always useful to have some one on the
> >>> imc-uk-features list because
> >>> 1. if you decide to go with imc uk, there is where decisions that will
> >>> affect your site are made - because the database is shared
> >>> 2. if you decide to go solo, it will save you lots of learning time, 
>to
> >>> see how editorial work is done in a big site.
> >>>
> >>> It can be offputting specially at the beginning but please don't try 
>to
> >>> find all advantages in going with uk and all disadvantages in going 
>solo
> >>> or vice versa. Both options have prons and cons. More than anything
> >>> else, it is the practical factors that decide (do we have the 
>technical
> >>> knowledge between us? do we need help? do we have the server? do we 
>have
> >>> the people, the time?)
> >>>
> >>> If you have read all the way to the end of this email, thank you :-)
> >>>
> >>> ana
> >>>
> >>>
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