[Imc-cymru] moving on
serencymru at phonecoop.coop
serencymru at phonecoop.coop
Thu Sep 28 01:20:15 PDT 2006
Apologies for the delay in replying. I only get daily digests off
this list, which is probably just as well for the blood pressure.
For the record, serencymru has always been able to post on this list
and has been on it for months (it only feels like years). I
inadvertently tried to send a message using my personal e-mail which
bounced and I then re-sent it using serencymru. So no conspiracy,
just cock-up.
I imagine any new joiner is looking at this arguing and running a
mile. I'm tempted to join them because we are not progressing at all.
Can we please move on and work together to do what (I think) we all
want to achieve... a distinctive voice for Wales within the indymedia
structure.
Hedd - dwi'n deall dy bryderon am fod yn rhan o drefn Prydeinig ond,
coelia fi, mae'n fwy cymhleth na hynny! Mae gwrthod ymwneud efo
indymedia UK fel gwrthod teithio ar drenau Cymru oherwydd fod nhw'n
cael eu rheoli o Lundain. O leia, wrth sefydlu'r peth dan adain
arbennigwyr, fedrwn ni weld sut mae'n gweithio ac yna sefydlu llais
rhyngwladol annibynnol ond does gennai ddim y wybodaeth dechnegol
na'r amser i ddysgu'r peth fy hunan.
Hwyl/cheers
Marc
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> 1. Independent Indycymru v's UK/Indywales (Hedd Gwynfor)
> 2. Re: Moving on (ana)
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> 4. Re: Moving on (Ilyan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:09:39 +0100 (BST)
> From: Hedd Gwynfor <hedd_gwynfor at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: [Imc-cymru] Independent Indycymru v's UK/Indywales
> To: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
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> I can't see how this bickering is helping the situation, and as a
> relatively new member, it seems that both sides of the argument are
> as bad as each other.
>
>> From what I can see, Wales definitely needs an independent news
> website.
>
> I would certainly rather see an 'Indycymru' system, where Wales's
> site is totally independent within the wider global group, but if the
> only way forward is to go with our begging bowl to London, to try and
> build an indywales mini-site within indymediaUK, then that's better
> than nothing.
>
> Hopefully, like devolution in Wales, it would be a stepping-stone
> towards full autonomy ;-)
>
> Hedd
>
> www.cymdeithas.com - www.blogiadur.com - www.blogcymru.com
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:08:54 +0100
> From: ana <anap at riseup.net>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] Moving on
> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> Message-ID: <451B0486.2000006 at riseup.net>
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>
> Hi Ilyan and all,
>
> I will clarify just the points that have to do with indymedia
> principles; accusations of lies and other things, I don't think
> they are
> constructive, I think they put people off and the intention of this
> list
> is to converge people to achieve a defined task, and not put them/
> us off
> with accusations or paranoias.
>
> People on this list are trying to have an articulate conversation in
> order to have an indymedia page that will cover Wales. Continuous
> references to censorship in uk indymedia and to some other websites
> that
> aren't even in the indymedia network is disruptive of the objective of
> this list. It is not constructive and has the potential of putting
> people off - so let's avoid that and let's concentrate our energies in
> this great project that is the creation of a page.
>
> You have said on this list twice since I have subscribed that you are
> 'ok' with an indymedia from wales within the uk indymedia "as long as"
> it doesn't have cymru in the name.
>
> It is up to the group who will actually work on that website to decide
> on the name, and no one not working collaboratively on the creation
> and
> future maintaining of that website should be imposing how it can or
> can
> not be named. This is what the first one of the Indymedia
> Principles of
> Unity is about...
>
> BTW it would be good if all, newcomers and otherwise, could read some
> documentation. The most basic one is the principles of unity and
> membership criteria , which have been approved by all joining
> indymedias. links..
>
> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/PrinciplesOfUnity
> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/MembershipCriteria
>
> Feel free to translate to Welsh and publish in the wiki, and please
> ask
> about formatting etc. if you don't manage to find instructions.
>
> ... and this is a new link: the FAQ
>
> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/FrequentlyAskedQuestionEn
>
>
> When I say that you are the facto chucking people out, I refer to the
> fact that people are already preparing the creation of another
> indymedia
> list where they/we will be allowed to talk about the creation of this
> new site without being disrupted with strange references, i.e. to be
> focused in the task at hand, which is proving impossible on this list,
> amongh other things because you keep being the moderator of this list
> and are not allowing the new people who have shown enthusiasm with the
> project to participate in that task. That is why people are having to
> move away from this list.
>
> Anyway, enough of negative stuff -
>
> It would be nice if we can have an introduction round of the people
> who
> have recently subscribed to the list - previous introductions can be
> found in the archives, which you can find if you click on the link at
> the bottom of this email.
>
> ... and if you hadn't had enough, here is a new page if you fancy
> reading:
>
> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcUK
>
> Sorry for leaving it until the end - it is the one suited for this
> group
> if it does decide it will go for "the uk option".
>
> For the new people: the uk option, as opposed to the global option
> (i am
> just making up these names right now) means to be accepted by the
> uk imc
> network as opposed to by the global imc netwok. The processes are
> different and the technical sides of things are different, but IMC
> uk is
> governed by the global principles and criteria so in the end result,
> politically there is no difference.
>
> Also, one does not exclude the other, and there is no established
> preference order. For example there is indymedia bristol, that passed
> the global process but never the uk process, they have their own
> server,
> site, database. they are still part of the uk network, and indeed they
> hosted the last imc uk network [presential] (face to face) meeting.
> There is then imc scotland, which has passed the global process and
> has
> two site, one in their own server and one as a site within imc uk.
> Then
> there are the rest that you can see on imc uk,
> https://www1.indymedia.org.uk
> London, Manchester, Oxford, Sheffield etc. (btw the names were always
> decided by the group; there is no one outside groups that tell them
> how
> to name themselves)
> These are all sub-pages of imc uk, with their own middle columns, but
> sharing the server and the database. Some of them have also passed the
> global process, some have not. So it not either one or the other.
>
> Also, for the new people. It is always useful to have some one on the
> imc-uk-features list because
> 1. if you decide to go with imc uk, there is where decisions that will
> affect your site are made - because the database is shared
> 2. if you decide to go solo, it will save you lots of learning
> time, to
> see how editorial work is done in a big site.
>
> It can be offputting specially at the beginning but please don't
> try to
> find all advantages in going with uk and all disadvantages in going
> solo
> or vice versa. Both options have prons and cons. More than anything
> else, it is the practical factors that decide (do we have the
> technical
> knowledge between us? do we need help? do we have the server? do we
> have
> the people, the time?)
>
> If you have read all the way to the end of this email, thank you :-)
>
> ana
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:07:40 +0100
> From: ana <anap at riseup.net>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] Independent Indycymru v's UK/Indywales
> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> Message-ID: <451B124C.3040408 at riseup.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to clarify, from an outside point of view...
>
> Hedd Gwynfor wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> I would certainly rather see an 'Indycymru' system, where Wales's
>> site is totally independent within the wider global group,
> This is somewhat contradictory. It is not only that you are either
> "totally independent" or "within a wider" group. You will be
> autonomous
> - even if you decide to go with uk btw - but you will need to comply
> with certain criteria (see my previous email for links to principles,
> criteria and faqs and other links)
>> but if the
>> only way forward is to go with our begging bowl to London,
> What? begging bowl? Being from indymedia london myself, I find this
> quite insulting. This is about begging not about badly understood
> charity mate, and if you think going "totally independent within the
> wider global" network will not mean going "with our begging bowl" any
> more than going begging to London, you are either very wrong or in the
> wrong network. Or you have not understood anything.
>> to try and
>> build an indywales mini-site within indymediaUK,
> Well, I admit London might be a mini-site. But calling Sheffield,
> Oxford, Nottingham to name a few mini-sites, I would find quite
> insulting too, if I was involved there.
>> then that's better
>> than nothing.
>>
> A lot better than these bad feelings would be to see you offering some
> positive action in order to achieve whatever website you want to see
> happening. Indeed better than nothing, you just need to make it
> happen,
> that's all.
>> Hopefully, like devolution in Wales, it would be a stepping-stone
>> towards full autonomy ;-)
>>
> It might be difficult to understand autonomy and similar concepts,
> specially when it is difficult to refer to a geographical area without
> mention to political territories. But we need to separate that. In
> other
> words, and to explain how indymedia works. Working within a uk
> indymedia
> site does not mean to work "under a uk governemnt" of any kind.
> Working
> without indymedia uk does not mean to work "independently from the
> UK".
> It means working with or without the people who have put together an
> indymedia website that happens to be named "uk" (united
> kollectives, as
> it was once decided...) because the "people" working on that site,and
> then the network working on that site,decided to name it so.
>
> indymedia is not a governmental organisation, it is a network of
> groups
> and persons who name themselves as they wish and who help eachother
> regardless of nationality. At the same time, these groups and networks
> are constrained by circumstances, resources and language. This is why
> people tend to collaborate with people who are close
> geographically, and
> sites tend to have the name of cities, countries, regions.
>
> You always depend on some one in the network - be it uk network, or
> global network. Unless you have the technical people, knowledge and
> resources i.e. server and bandwidth, you will have to ask for help
> - and
> it is usually more practical to ask for help from some
> people/network/group that live next to you and/or speak the same
> language.
>
> As I have explained before here (you can read the archives of this
> month) I will help you, if you want me to, whatever route you
> decide to
> take, with as much knowledge as I can gather, which will not be enough
> and we / you will need to gather more info from other people as you go
> along.
>
> But just like with any other project, we will have the limitations of
> resources, the practicalities. For instance if none of you have a big
> server with a big bandwidth (and please do not ask me what exactly
> "big"
> means), you will have to ask for server space somewhere. It will be
> far
> easier, almost automatic, to find that space if you decide to go
> the uk
> route. If you decide the global route, getting server space will
> not be
> by any means automatic. Even if you beg them :-p
>
> Which you will not need to do because this network is about sharing
> resources, knowledge and time, not about what you seem to think it is.
>
> Welcome to the network.
>
> ana
> one of imc london + uk
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 01:32:14 +0100
> From: Ilyan <ac.thomas at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] Moving on
> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> Message-ID: <451B180E.5000906 at ntlworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Ana
> You said:
>> You have said on this list twice since I have subscribed that you
>> are
>> 'ok' with an indymedia from wales within the uk indymedia "as long
>> as"
>> it doesn't have cymru in the name."as long as"
>> it doesn't have cymru in the name.
> Not so. What I have said is that it does not call itself Indycymru,
> partly because that is the name of a site I have spent years building
> up, and because it has put in an application in to be an independent
> part of Indymedia . It was sent in to what we were told was the
> new-imc address in March. It has since been re-submitted twice but
> there has been no response. Instead there comes a sudden flood of
> people, some of them demanding that the Welsh National site subjugate
> itself to IndymediaUK . (when there is already an independent site in
> Bristol)
>
> Indycymru Editors are waiting for a response to their application.
>
> Is you task in hand to see that the potential for an independent welsh
> site following the Indycymru principles does not come to fullfillment?
>
> Why write such absolute nonsense as:
>> because you keep being the moderator of this list
>> and are not allowing the new people who have shown enthusiasm with
>> the
>> project to participate in that task.
>>
> Why make such a false claim? Who are you trying to put off what?
>
> Ilyan
>
>
> ana wrote:
>> Hi Ilyan and all,
>>
>> I will clarify just the points that have to do with indymedia
>> principles; accusations of lies and other things, I don't think
>> they are
>> constructive, I think they put people off and the intention of
>> this list
>> is to converge people to achieve a defined task, and not put them/
>> us off
>> with accusations or paranoias.
>>
>> People on this list are trying to have an articulate conversation in
>> order to have an indymedia page that will cover Wales. Continuous
>> references to censorship in uk indymedia and to some other
>> websites that
>> aren't even in the indymedia network is disruptive of the
>> objective of
>> this list. It is not constructive and has the potential of putting
>> people off - so let's avoid that and let's concentrate our
>> energies in
>> this great project that is the creation of a page.
>>
>> You have said on this list twice since I have subscribed that you are
>> 'ok' with an indymedia from wales within the uk indymedia "as long
>> as"
>> it doesn't have cymru in the name.
>>
>> It is up to the group who will actually work on that website to
>> decide
>> on the name, and no one not working collaboratively on the
>> creation and
>> future maintaining of that website should be imposing how it can
>> or can
>> not be named. This is what the first one of the Indymedia
>> Principles of
>> Unity is about...
>>
>> BTW it would be good if all, newcomers and otherwise, could read some
>> documentation. The most basic one is the principles of unity and
>> membership criteria , which have been approved by all joining
>> indymedias. links..
>>
>> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/PrinciplesOfUnity
>> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/MembershipCriteria
>>
>> Feel free to translate to Welsh and publish in the wiki, and
>> please ask
>> about formatting etc. if you don't manage to find instructions.
>>
>> ... and this is a new link: the FAQ
>>
>> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/FrequentlyAskedQuestionEn
>>
>>
>> When I say that you are the facto chucking people out, I refer to the
>> fact that people are already preparing the creation of another
>> indymedia
>> list where they/we will be allowed to talk about the creation of this
>> new site without being disrupted with strange references, i.e. to be
>> focused in the task at hand, which is proving impossible on this
>> list,
>> amongh other things because you keep being the moderator of this list
>> and are not allowing the new people who have shown enthusiasm with
>> the
>> project to participate in that task. That is why people are having to
>> move away from this list.
>>
>> Anyway, enough of negative stuff -
>>
>> It would be nice if we can have an introduction round of the
>> people who
>> have recently subscribed to the list - previous introductions can be
>> found in the archives, which you can find if you click on the link at
>> the bottom of this email.
>>
>> ... and if you hadn't had enough, here is a new page if you fancy
>> reading:
>>
>> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcUK
>>
>> Sorry for leaving it until the end - it is the one suited for this
>> group
>> if it does decide it will go for "the uk option".
>>
>> For the new people: the uk option, as opposed to the global option
>> (i am
>> just making up these names right now) means to be accepted by the
>> uk imc
>> network as opposed to by the global imc netwok. The processes are
>> different and the technical sides of things are different, but IMC
>> uk is
>> governed by the global principles and criteria so in the end result,
>> politically there is no difference.
>>
>> Also, one does not exclude the other, and there is no established
>> preference order. For example there is indymedia bristol, that passed
>> the global process but never the uk process, they have their own
>> server,
>> site, database. they are still part of the uk network, and indeed
>> they
>> hosted the last imc uk network [presential] (face to face) meeting.
>> There is then imc scotland, which has passed the global process
>> and has
>> two site, one in their own server and one as a site within imc uk.
>> Then
>> there are the rest that you can see on imc uk,
>> https://www1.indymedia.org.uk
>> London, Manchester, Oxford, Sheffield etc. (btw the names were always
>> decided by the group; there is no one outside groups that tell
>> them how
>> to name themselves)
>> These are all sub-pages of imc uk, with their own middle columns, but
>> sharing the server and the database. Some of them have also passed
>> the
>> global process, some have not. So it not either one or the other.
>>
>> Also, for the new people. It is always useful to have some one on the
>> imc-uk-features list because
>> 1. if you decide to go with imc uk, there is where decisions that
>> will
>> affect your site are made - because the database is shared
>> 2. if you decide to go solo, it will save you lots of learning
>> time, to
>> see how editorial work is done in a big site.
>>
>> It can be offputting specially at the beginning but please don't
>> try to
>> find all advantages in going with uk and all disadvantages in
>> going solo
>> or vice versa. Both options have prons and cons. More than anything
>> else, it is the practical factors that decide (do we have the
>> technical
>> knowledge between us? do we need help? do we have the server? do
>> we have
>> the people, the time?)
>>
>> If you have read all the way to the end of this email, thank you :-)
>>
>> ana
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 02:26:30 +0100
> From: ana <anap at riseup.net>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] Moving on
> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> Message-ID: <451B24C6.9010906 at riseup.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>
> Ilyan wrote:
>> Not so. What I have said is that it does not call itself Indycymru,
>> partly because that is the name of a site I have spent years building
>> up,
> Ok, apologies for misquoting. The naming convention in indymedia is
> not
> indysite all one word, but rather indymedia <site>, or imc <site>
>> and because it has put in an application in to be an independent
>> part of Indymedia .
> Ilyan, the way it was sent, it would never get through. I tried to
> explain this. let's try again... it would need to be done by a group,
> not an individual, filled the application here,
> http://newimc.indymedia.org/
> after going through the process described on the "EN" for English
> link.
> My being here offering to help is actually part of that process.
> Once we
> have covered some of the steps described in that page we can deal with
> the technical faults of the form. In any case even if the form would
> arrive to the new imc group it would be unlikely that some one other
> than me could help. But of course you can try, and you can ask some
> one
> else to help.
>
>> It was sent in to what we were told was the
>> new-imc address in March. It has since been re-submitted twice but
>> there has been no response. Instead there comes a sudden flood of
>> people, some of them demanding that the Welsh National site subjugate
>> itself to IndymediaUK .
> I have already explained how wrong this mindset/set of believes is
> and I
> don't think it is necessary to explain again. I find it hard to
> believe
> that you have got this idea from coming to various indymedia uk
> network
> meetings that have happened over the years. I was very glad to see
> that
> you didn't seem to feel subjugated to indymedia uk or london when you
> got on vehicles driven by uk people :-p
>> (when there is already an independent site in
>> Bristol)
>>
> It would be great if people from imc wales offered to host the next
> imc
> uk network meeting like bristol did - they did a wonderful job making
> the last one happen. And this year it is happening in Nottingham
> because
> it is a group that is also starting off and they want to use the
> network
> meeting as a catalyst, so it would not be a bad thing at all to start
> thinking about it :-)
>> Indycymru Editors are waiting for a response to their application.
>>
>> Is you task in hand to see that the potential for an independent
>> welsh
>> site following the Indycymru principles does not come to
>> fullfillment?
>>
>
> I have come here to help set up an indymedia site. Any other sites,
> including this "Indycymru" which is not an indymedia site, should
> not be
> discussed in lists on this server.
>> Why write such absolute nonsense as:
>>
>>> because you keep being the moderator of this list
>>> and are not allowing the new people who have shown enthusiasm
>>> with the
>>> project to participate in that task.
>>>
>>>
>> Why make such a false claim?
> Because people have told me off list that they have asked to be
> part of
> the moderation of this list and have received a negative answer from
> you. And because I have no reason to believe that they are lying.
>
> Indymedia work is based on trust - I believe you were in the network
> meeting where this phrase was repeated and explained. And trust is
> offered upfront, specially the Indycymru website has been the
> recipient
> of that upfront trust of all groups. And any project that comes from
> this list/group that bothers to call itself indymedia is already
> having
> that trust, that is why I am here writing these emails trying to
> explain
> to you what indymedia is about instead of doing anything else
> related to
> other projects I am involved in.
>
> So your next question is senseless, and disruptive and I'm not
> going to
> answer it. Let's have some articulate discussion instead of mutual
> accusations, shall we?
>
> Thanks
>
> ana
>> Who are you trying to put off what?
>>
>> Ilyan
>>
>>
>> ana wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ilyan and all,
>>>
>>> I will clarify just the points that have to do with indymedia
>>> principles; accusations of lies and other things, I don't think
>>> they are
>>> constructive, I think they put people off and the intention of
>>> this list
>>> is to converge people to achieve a defined task, and not put them/
>>> us off
>>> with accusations or paranoias.
>>>
>>> People on this list are trying to have an articulate conversation in
>>> order to have an indymedia page that will cover Wales. Continuous
>>> references to censorship in uk indymedia and to some other
>>> websites that
>>> aren't even in the indymedia network is disruptive of the
>>> objective of
>>> this list. It is not constructive and has the potential of putting
>>> people off - so let's avoid that and let's concentrate our
>>> energies in
>>> this great project that is the creation of a page.
>>>
>>> You have said on this list twice since I have subscribed that you
>>> are
>>> 'ok' with an indymedia from wales within the uk indymedia "as
>>> long as"
>>> it doesn't have cymru in the name.
>>>
>>> It is up to the group who will actually work on that website to
>>> decide
>>> on the name, and no one not working collaboratively on the
>>> creation and
>>> future maintaining of that website should be imposing how it can
>>> or can
>>> not be named. This is what the first one of the Indymedia
>>> Principles of
>>> Unity is about...
>>>
>>> BTW it would be good if all, newcomers and otherwise, could read
>>> some
>>> documentation. The most basic one is the principles of unity and
>>> membership criteria , which have been approved by all joining
>>> indymedias. links..
>>>
>>> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/PrinciplesOfUnity
>>> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/MembershipCriteria
>>>
>>> Feel free to translate to Welsh and publish in the wiki, and
>>> please ask
>>> about formatting etc. if you don't manage to find instructions.
>>>
>>> ... and this is a new link: the FAQ
>>>
>>> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/FrequentlyAskedQuestionEn
>>>
>>>
>>> When I say that you are the facto chucking people out, I refer to
>>> the
>>> fact that people are already preparing the creation of another
>>> indymedia
>>> list where they/we will be allowed to talk about the creation of
>>> this
>>> new site without being disrupted with strange references, i.e. to be
>>> focused in the task at hand, which is proving impossible on this
>>> list,
>>> amongh other things because you keep being the moderator of this
>>> list
>>> and are not allowing the new people who have shown enthusiasm
>>> with the
>>> project to participate in that task. That is why people are
>>> having to
>>> move away from this list.
>>>
>>> Anyway, enough of negative stuff -
>>>
>>> It would be nice if we can have an introduction round of the
>>> people who
>>> have recently subscribed to the list - previous introductions can be
>>> found in the archives, which you can find if you click on the
>>> link at
>>> the bottom of this email.
>>>
>>> ... and if you hadn't had enough, here is a new page if you fancy
>>> reading:
>>>
>>> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcUK
>>>
>>> Sorry for leaving it until the end - it is the one suited for
>>> this group
>>> if it does decide it will go for "the uk option".
>>>
>>> For the new people: the uk option, as opposed to the global
>>> option (i am
>>> just making up these names right now) means to be accepted by the
>>> uk imc
>>> network as opposed to by the global imc netwok. The processes are
>>> different and the technical sides of things are different, but
>>> IMC uk is
>>> governed by the global principles and criteria so in the end result,
>>> politically there is no difference.
>>>
>>> Also, one does not exclude the other, and there is no established
>>> preference order. For example there is indymedia bristol, that
>>> passed
>>> the global process but never the uk process, they have their own
>>> server,
>>> site, database. they are still part of the uk network, and indeed
>>> they
>>> hosted the last imc uk network [presential] (face to face) meeting.
>>> There is then imc scotland, which has passed the global process
>>> and has
>>> two site, one in their own server and one as a site within imc
>>> uk. Then
>>> there are the rest that you can see on imc uk,
>>> https://www1.indymedia.org.uk
>>> London, Manchester, Oxford, Sheffield etc. (btw the names were
>>> always
>>> decided by the group; there is no one outside groups that tell
>>> them how
>>> to name themselves)
>>> These are all sub-pages of imc uk, with their own middle columns,
>>> but
>>> sharing the server and the database. Some of them have also
>>> passed the
>>> global process, some have not. So it not either one or the other.
>>>
>>> Also, for the new people. It is always useful to have some one on
>>> the
>>> imc-uk-features list because
>>> 1. if you decide to go with imc uk, there is where decisions that
>>> will
>>> affect your site are made - because the database is shared
>>> 2. if you decide to go solo, it will save you lots of learning
>>> time, to
>>> see how editorial work is done in a big site.
>>>
>>> It can be offputting specially at the beginning but please don't
>>> try to
>>> find all advantages in going with uk and all disadvantages in
>>> going solo
>>> or vice versa. Both options have prons and cons. More than anything
>>> else, it is the practical factors that decide (do we have the
>>> technical
>>> knowledge between us? do we need help? do we have the server? do
>>> we have
>>> the people, the time?)
>>>
>>> If you have read all the way to the end of this email, thank you :-)
>>>
>>> ana
>>>
>>>
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