[Imc-cymru] Urgent - Contacting Jim Killock (North Wales) with regard to Indycymru

[Jim Killock]

Darren

I don't think Jon's very interested, but I'm not sure how many times  
I have to say this, I want to help your group out but you're not  
giving me any of the info that would let me do that.

It's not a problem for me to delegate name servers, but best of all  
will be if and when someone from the IMC UK network contacts me and  
I'll transfer the domain to them straight away.

For the record, I think your tone is unhelpful.

Cheers

Jim

On 8 Feb 2007, at 17:43, Darren Wyn Rees wrote:

> Dear Jim,
>
> Thank you for your email, which I have copied below for Jonathan  
> Spink.
>
> I am sorry, but would it be possible for you to retain the original
> correspondence copy lines, viz. myself, yourself and the General
> Secretary of the Wales Green Party, Jonathan Spink.
>
> With regard to the Indycymru domain you state in your reply that  
> you do
> not want any involvement with the project.  Therefore you should
> transfer that domain, or at least delegate the nameservers to us until
> we hold the Cardiff meeting on March 9th.
>
> Your insistence that you will only transfer the indycymru domain to "a
> recognised part of the indymedia network" is, frankly, a rather silly
> way to say "no"  :   As you know our application for recognized status
> within the Indymedia network has been pending for many, many months.
>
> May I make a suggestion, namely that you and Jonathan Spink discuss  
> this
> matter, and that you get back in touch with me by early next week  
> at the
> latest.
>
> If you insist on holding back this project, then you leave us no  
> option
> but to consider more formal and public methods of redress.
>
> I urge you to give back this domain to the remaining Indycymru
> volunteers as soon as possible so that they may continue to assert  
> their
> right to this project name.
>
> Many thanks for your co-operation.
>
> Yours Sincerely
>
> Darren W. Rees
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 17:03 +0000, Jim Killock wrote:
>> Darren
>>
>>
>> I'm not insisting on retaining administration
>>
>>
>> I don't want involvement, but I do wish to transfer the domain to a
>> recognised part of the indymedia network.
>>
>>
>> let me know when you have details. Maybe Kester will be able to help
>>
>>
>> (cc'd above)
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 Feb 2007, at 16:50, Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your reply. I've retained Jonathan Spink as a CC.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am very sorry it has taken a query to your colleagues in the
>>> Green
>>> Party to elicit a reply from you, but you have chosen not to reply
>>> to
>>> any queries in the past few weeks.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is clear too all of us that you have given up on the project to
>>> maintain an independent media centre for Wales.  You have stated
>>> previously your support for an alternative system, such as that
>>> being
>>> set-up by a Wrexham group (including John Marek's people, the
>>> anarchists, Wrexham Peace Centre etc)
>>>
>>>
>>> In view of your position therefore, why do you not transfer
>>> ownership of
>>> the domain to a trusted long-serving volunteer on the Indycymru
>>> project,
>>> such as Ilyan ?     That way, you can finally walk away from the
>>> project.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you insist on holding the original indycymru domain until we
>>> decide
>>> at a meeting, then will you delegate the nameservers to us, as soon
>>> as
>>> possible ?
>>>
>>>
>>> We have a meeting in Cardiff on March 9th 2007.   A considerable
>>> amount
>>> of resources have been invested in this meeting.  We need the use of
>>> the
>>> original domain which you hold.  We have every right to continue
>>> this
>>> project using that original project name.
>>>
>>>
>>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours Sincerely
>>>
>>>
>>> Darren W Rees
>>>
>>>
>>> PS.  Thanks for the offer of technical support from a third-party
>>> but
>>> honestly I'm fine thanks.  I remember the days when we fed the
>>> computers
>>> with punched cards.  They were driven thirty miles to the nearest
>>> computer at the local university (or polytechnic as it then was) and
>>> if
>>> you got a card in the wrong order, you'd bugger up the programme
>>> running.  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 15:46 +0000, Jim Killock wrote:
>>>> Darren
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As I explained to you about a month ago, the indycymru group needs
>>>> to
>>>> **tell me where to transfer the domain to**; and also that I do
>>>> **not** own the domain, as a simple whois will show you, it is
>>>> registered to the Wales IMC; I only **administrate** it, and am
>>>> trying
>>>> to get your group to tell me how I can cease to administrate it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I understand this is a technical concept so I've cc'd ekes from
>>>> the UK
>>>> indymedia group.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Feb 2007, at 13:45, Jonathan Spink wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Darren,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim moved from North Wales to London a few months ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have copied your email to him and I am sure Jim will deal with
>>>>> it
>>>>> in due course.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Jonathan Spink
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> General Secretary
>>>>> Wales Green Party.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
>>>>>> I am trying to contact some one called Jim Killock who
>>>>>> apparently
>>>>>> represents the Green Party in North Wales.  Apparently, Jim
>>>>>> Killock has a business called hebffinia.com and I've
>>>>>> tried emailing him (several times) and telephoning his
>>>>>> landline
>>>>>> numbers,
>>>>>> but to no avail.  Here's the background to our little
>>>>>> problem :
>>>>>> In Wales, we are trying to establishing an independent media
>>>>>> centre (see
>>>>>> www.indymedia.org for examples of such projects).  Jim
>>>>>> Killock
>>>>>> previously helped maintain a project called Indycymru on the
>>>>>> domain
>>>>>> indycymru.org.uk which he owns.  He hosted this from around
>>>>>> 2002
>>>>>> until
>>>>>> March 2006.
>>>>>> It is very important that Jim Killock clarifies his position
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> issue of this domain and his intentions.
>>>>>> If your Green Party colleague does not wish to co-operate
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> further
>>>>>> developments in Wales with regard to establishing an
>>>>>> independent
>>>>>> media
>>>>>> centre, he should clarify that as soon as possible.
>>>>>> On March 9th 2007 there is a Meeting/workshop at Cardiff
>>>>>> University
>>>>>> organised for discussing future 'independent media'
>>>>>> developments
>>>>>> within
>>>>>> Wales.  The issue of your Green Party colleague will be raised
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>> Therefore, in view of the above, I would be grateful if you
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> help
>>>>>> me determine your colleague's position on the issue of
>>>>>> Indycymru
>>>>>> either
>>>>>> by obtaining that information and passing it along to me; or
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> suggesting that your colleague speak for himself.
>>>>>> It disappoints me, and many others, to have to write to you
>>>>>> concerning
>>>>>> this issue, as many of us are very sympathetic to your
>>>>>> party's
>>>>>> aims.
>>>>>> Many thanks for your help.
>>>>>> Yours Sincerely
>>>>>> Darren W Rees
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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