[Imc-cymru] Imc-cymru Digest, Vol 36, Issue 5
Philip Steele
phil_steele at btinternet.com
Fri Jan 19 01:39:37 PST 2007
Beth am symud ymlaen?
I subscribed as a total indymedia novice, seemed like a great idea.
But the correspondence to date has been either over-technical,
bureaucaratic, introverted or bitchy.
When people start exchanging useful information or debate, perhaps
I'll be
less 'shy' about contributing or proselytising in the northwest!
Can't do 3rd
I fear.
Phil S
Llangoed, Ynys Môn
On 19 Jan 2007, at 09:22, imc-cymru-request at lists.indymedia.org wrote:
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> 1. Re: imc-cymru list welcome (Darren Wyn Rees)
> 2. Re: imc-cymru list welcome (Genny)
> 3. Re: imc-cymru list welcome (Genny)
> 4. Re: imc-cymru list welcome (Darren Wyn Rees)
> 5. Re: imc-cymru list welcome (Genny)
> 6. Re: Imc-cymru Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4
> (serencymru at phonecoop.coop)
> 7. Re: Imc-cymru etc (Ilyan)
> 8. Exasperated (Kelvin Mason)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:13:02 +0000
> From: Darren Wyn Rees <darren at cymraeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> Message-ID: <1169154782.6960.30.camel at localhost.localdomain>
> Content-Type: text/plain
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> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 17:38 +0000, James Dunckley wrote:
>
>> A load of English incomers by the sound of it. "Wales" is easier to
>> pronounce than "Cymru". I heard an English guy on a radio advert
>> the other
>> day, he pronounced "Cwmdu" as "Come-doo".
>>
>> You gotta laugh...
>
> Is there any one associated with the proposed new Imc Wales project
> who
> is *not* from Wrexham ?
>
> At least one can say that Indy Cymru ran for several years with people
> from all across Wales, as both contributors and editors.
>
> I'm not sure why Genny Bove aspires to call it a Wales IMC if there's
> only Wrexham activists involved. It seems a bit... presumptious.
> Surely then it should be called Imc Wrexham ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:27:17 +0000
> From: Genny <vg at genny.force9.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> Message-ID: <45AFE635.3030305 at genny.force9.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Those on the imc-wales list list include activists from North East
> Wales, North West Wales, West
> Wales and South Wales.
>
> Genny
>
> Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
>> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 17:38 +0000, James Dunckley wrote:
>>
>>> A load of English incomers by the sound of it. "Wales" is easier to
>>> pronounce than "Cymru". I heard an English guy on a radio advert
>>> the other
>>> day, he pronounced "Cwmdu" as "Come-doo".
>>>
>>> You gotta laugh...
>>
>> Is there any one associated with the proposed new Imc Wales
>> project who
>> is *not* from Wrexham ?
>>
>> At least one can say that Indy Cymru ran for several years with
>> people
>> from all across Wales, as both contributors and editors.
>>
>> I'm not sure why Genny Bove aspires to call it a Wales IMC if there's
>> only Wrexham activists involved. It seems a bit... presumptious.
>> Surely then it should be called Imc Wrexham ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Imc-cymru mailing list
>> Imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-cymru
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:10:28 +0000
> From: Genny <vg at genny.force9.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> Message-ID: <45AFB814.5050600 at genny.force9.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi
>
> I joined this list a while back. I respect that many people on
> this list are trying to set up
> indycymru again and I hope that this project is successful.
>
> However, what I wanted to work on was a page for Wales within uk
> indymedia. When it became apparent
> that some people on the imc-cymru list didn't want to do this, and
> were unhappy or suspicious that
> new people had joined the list to work on this project, I set up a
> separate list and posted a
> message to this list to explain why. So there are now two lists,
> imc-cymru (this one) and
> imc-wales, which is working within uk indymedia. I don't think
> there is any lack of transparency -
> membership and archives of the list are open to anyone, although
> the stated purpose of the list is
> to create a regional page for Wales within uk indymedia, so it
> isn't a place for discussion about
> the pros and cons of this option - it's a place to work on making
> it happen.
>
> The list includes English people living in Wales (like me) and
> Welsh people living in Wales and some
> imc-istas who have offered to help out. We have Welsh speakers
> on the list and are looking at
> ways to make the Wales pages bilingual and to encourage people to
> post to indymedia in Welsh.
>
> I hope this information is helpful.
>
> Genny
>
>
> James Dunckley wrote:
>> A load of English incomers by the sound of it. "Wales" is easier to
>> pronounce than "Cymru". I heard an English guy on a radio advert
>> the other
>> day, he pronounced "Cwmdu" as "Come-doo".
>>
>> You gotta laugh...
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>>
>>> From: Darren Wyn Rees <darren at cymraeg.org>
>>> Reply-To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>>> To: Ilyan <ac.thomas at ntlworld.com>
>>> CC: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>>> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:46:04 +0000
>>>
>>> Thanks for the welcome information, Ilyan.
>>>
>>> Who do you think is backing this Indy Wales project ?
>>>
>>> It doesn't seem particularly transparent to put it mildly.
>>>
>>> I've sent this message to the imc-cymru mailing list, where
>>> discussion
>>> should continue, if you please.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Darren
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Imc-cymru mailing list
>>> Imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-cymru
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:10:32 +0000
> From: Darren Wyn Rees <darren at cymraeg.org>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> Message-ID: <1169158232.6960.67.camel at localhost.localdomain>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 21:27 +0000, Genny Bove wrote:
>
>> Those on the imc-wales list list include activists from North East
>> Wales,
>> North West Wales, West Wales and South Wales.
>
> They're shy are they ?
>
> I've read through the archives of your imc-wales mailing list at
> indymedia.org and I count 5 people in total who have posted since
> September 2006.
>
> The introductory message I sent to the imc-wales list on Monday was
> deleted. I emailed all list owners, however, they have declined to
> reply.
>
> Why are you deleting messages posted to the imc-wales list Genny
> Bove ?
> It's churlish and you're not exactly overwhelmed by contributions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:46:58 +0000
> From: Genny <vg at genny.force9.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> Message-ID: <45AFF8E2.40608 at genny.force9.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I haven't deleted any message from you, Darren. I check the
> pending moderator requests regularly as
> the filter seems to pick up mails from members for unfathomable (to
> me) reasons, and I'm sure I
> would have remembered if I'd seen one from you... unless it looked
> like spam. :o)
>
> There are a number of admins on the imc-wales list. I'm not aware
> that anyone else has deleted a
> message. Would you like to re-send it?
>
> I'm puzzled by your concerns about who posts to the list. Does it
> really matter? But for your
> information, seven different people have posted this month alone.
> Why say five since September if
> this isn't true? There seems to be unnecessary hostility here.
>
> I applaud the efforts to re-launch indycymru and I wish you every
> success.
>
> If you can't extend the same goodwill to imc-wales, then please at
> least just leave us to get on
> with it. Anyway, I've wasted enough time here tonight. I'm off to
> do more constructive things!
>
> All the best
>
> Genny
>
>
> Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
>> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 21:27 +0000, Genny Bove wrote:
>>
>>> Those on the imc-wales list list include activists from North
>>> East Wales,
>>> North West Wales, West Wales and South Wales.
>>
>> They're shy are they ?
>>
>> I've read through the archives of your imc-wales mailing list at
>> indymedia.org and I count 5 people in total who have posted since
>> September 2006.
>>
>> The introductory message I sent to the imc-wales list on Monday was
>> deleted. I emailed all list owners, however, they have declined to
>> reply.
>>
>> Why are you deleting messages posted to the imc-wales list Genny
>> Bove ?
>> It's churlish and you're not exactly overwhelmed by contributions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Imc-cymru mailing list
>> Imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-cymru
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:37:28 +0000
> From: serencymru at phonecoop.coop
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] Imc-cymru Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4
> To: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
> Message-ID: <BD2664A2-9C72-4B1B-83C0-E2EFCE54EB1F at phonecoop.coop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> That's quite a bold statement to make Jim. And inaccurate. To then go
> on and accuse these people of being unable to say "Cymru" based on a
> radio advert is bizarre.
>
> This list is hardly setting a good example re Cymraeg when three of
> the four participants can speak Welsh but we communicate in English.
> Motes and beams, not that I'm a fan of quoting the Bible at anyone!
>
> As regards transparency, everyone is welcome to a meeting on Feb 3rd
> in Wrexham. If you can't make that, organise one in your own area and
> see what happens. One of the issues up for debate is ensuring
> bilingualism on the site.
>
> hope to see you there
>
> Marc
>
> On 18 Jan 2007, at 20:02, imc-cymru-request at lists.indymedia.org wrote:
>
>> Send Imc-cymru mailing list submissions to
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>> 1. Re: imc-cymru list welcome (James Dunckley)
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:38:42 +0000
>> From: "James Dunckley" <serengoch at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>> To: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org, ac.thomas at ntlworld.com
>> Message-ID: <BAY113-F16AB25A678827FC6C665DBA3AA0 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>>
>> A load of English incomers by the sound of it. "Wales" is easier to
>> pronounce than "Cymru". I heard an English guy on a radio advert
>> the other
>> day, he pronounced "Cwmdu" as "Come-doo".
>>
>> You gotta laugh...
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>>
>>> From: Darren Wyn Rees <darren at cymraeg.org>
>>> Reply-To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>>> To: Ilyan <ac.thomas at ntlworld.com>
>>> CC: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>>> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:46:04 +0000
>>>
>>> Thanks for the welcome information, Ilyan.
>>>
>>> Who do you think is backing this Indy Wales project ?
>>>
>>> It doesn't seem particularly transparent to put it mildly.
>>>
>>> I've sent this message to the imc-cymru mailing list, where
>>> discussion
>>> should continue, if you please.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Darren
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Imc-cymru mailing list
>>> Imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-cymru
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile.
>> http://www.msn.txt4content.com/
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>> ****************************************
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:57:27 +0000
> From: Ilyan <ac.thomas at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] Imc-cymru etc
> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> Message-ID: <45B01777.8010500 at ntlworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Is it significant that an independent welsh uncensored site was
> sabotaged out of existence soon after it put in an application to be
> IMC, and that setting up a censored welsh site is being engineered.
> Who profits? The Establishment, The Labour Party, Parliamentarians,
> Gauleiters, and Quislings. Is it significant that Ana did nothing to
> get the Indycymru application considered. If we had had a
> rejection
> we would know the present nature of Indymedia.
>
> Should we be doing a Hemmingway about it? - he was asked about not
> telling the Spanish Civil War truth.
>
> Some of the people now joining the United Konformists censorship welsh
> group were invited to be part of IndyCymru years ago and rejected the
> opportunity. Probably because they are Parliamentarians, or anti-
> welsh,
> or some sort of bigot unable to work with a variety of non conforming
> people. Why else?
>
> Indycymru meetings have been more central, and organised so that it is
> usually possible to get a lift to the meeting place from most parts of
> Wales.
>
> Ilyan
>
> serencymru at phonecoop.coop wrote:
>> That's quite a bold statement to make Jim. And inaccurate. To then go
>> on and accuse these people of being unable to say "Cymru" based on a
>> radio advert is bizarre.
>>
>> This list is hardly setting a good example re Cymraeg when three of
>> the four participants can speak Welsh but we communicate in English.
>> Motes and beams, not that I'm a fan of quoting the Bible at anyone!
>>
>> As regards transparency, everyone is welcome to a meeting on Feb 3rd
>> in Wrexham. If you can't make that, organise one in your own area and
>> see what happens. One of the issues up for debate is ensuring
>> bilingualism on the site.
>>
>> hope to see you there
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On 18 Jan 2007, at 20:02, imc-cymru-request at lists.indymedia.org
>> wrote:
>>
>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:38:42 +0000
>>> From: "James Dunckley" <serengoch at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>>> To: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org, ac.thomas at ntlworld.com
>>> Message-ID: <BAY113-F16AB25A678827FC6C665DBA3AA0 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>>>
>>> A load of English incomers by the sound of it. "Wales" is easier to
>>> pronounce than "Cymru". I heard an English guy on a radio advert
>>> the other
>>> day, he pronounced "Cwmdu" as "Come-doo".
>>>
>>> You gotta laugh...
>>>
>>> Jim.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Darren Wyn Rees <darren at cymraeg.org>
>>>> Reply-To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>>>> To: Ilyan <ac.thomas at ntlworld.com>
>>>> CC: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:46:04 +0000
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the welcome information, Ilyan.
>>>>
>>>> Who do you think is backing this Indy Wales project ?
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't seem particularly transparent to put it mildly.
>>>>
>>>> I've sent this message to the imc-cymru mailing list, where
>>>> discussion
>>>> should continue, if you please.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Darren
>>>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:04:55 -0000
> From: "Kelvin Mason" <kjm04 at aber.ac.uk>
> Subject: [Imc-cymru] Exasperated
> To: "'IMC Wales'" <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> Message-ID: <E1H7pg7-0004WB-C3 at aber.ac.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> For fuck's sake! Let's fight among ourselves about who's really
> Welsh and
> who's the Real Popular Front for the Liberation... while environmental
> crisis, injustice, inequality, exploitation and war devastate the
> planet
> shall we? And resistance is unreported. There are few enough people
> who give
> a shit and aren't too seduced by shopping to remain conscious - so
> why don't
> these few bicker like idiots!
>
> Sori fy neges ydy yn Saesneg acos - colonialism meant that, Welsh
> born and
> bred for as many generations as you care to dig, Welsh was
> deliberately
> disparaged and not taught when I was in school.
>
> Let's get on with it
>
> Heddwch a hwyl
>
> Kelvin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: imc-cymru-bounces at lists.indymedia.org
> [mailto:imc-cymru-bounces at lists.indymedia.org] On Behalf Of Genny
> Sent: 18 January 2007 22:47
> To: IMC Wales
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>
> I haven't deleted any message from you, Darren. I check the pending
> moderator requests regularly as
> the filter seems to pick up mails from members for unfathomable (to
> me)
> reasons, and I'm sure I
> would have remembered if I'd seen one from you... unless it looked
> like
> spam. :o)
>
> There are a number of admins on the imc-wales list. I'm not aware
> that
> anyone else has deleted a
> message. Would you like to re-send it?
>
> I'm puzzled by your concerns about who posts to the list. Does it
> really
> matter? But for your
> information, seven different people have posted this month alone.
> Why say
> five since September if
> this isn't true? There seems to be unnecessary hostility here.
>
> I applaud the efforts to re-launch indycymru and I wish you every
> success.
>
> If you can't extend the same goodwill to imc-wales, then please at
> least
> just leave us to get on
> with it. Anyway, I've wasted enough time here tonight. I'm off to
> do more
> constructive things!
>
> All the best
>
> Genny
>
>
> Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
>> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 21:27 +0000, Genny Bove wrote:
>>
>>> Those on the imc-wales list list include activists from North
>>> East Wales,
>
>>> North West Wales, West Wales and South Wales.
>>
>> They're shy are they ?
>>
>> I've read through the archives of your imc-wales mailing list at
>> indymedia.org and I count 5 people in total who have posted since
>> September 2006.
>>
>> The introductory message I sent to the imc-wales list on Monday was
>> deleted. I emailed all list owners, however, they have declined to
>> reply.
>>
>> Why are you deleting messages posted to the imc-wales list Genny
>> Bove ?
>> It's churlish and you're not exactly overwhelmed by contributions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Imc-cymru mailing list
>> Imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-cymru
>>
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