[Imc-cymru] Imc-cymru Digest, Vol 36, Issue 6
serencymru at phonecoop.coop
serencymru at phonecoop.coop
Fri Jan 19 03:53:23 PST 2007
Phil, mi fyddai'n braf iawn symud ymlaen - dwi mond yn ymateb
oherwydd fod ymosodiadau personol ac anghywir yn cael eu gwneud fama.
Byddai'n llawer gwell gen i fod yn weithgar a sicrhau fod gan Cymru
ffynhonnell newyddion annibynnol sy'n adlewyrchu'r gweithgaredd gwrth-
rhyfel, gwrth-niwcliar, Hafod, LNG, etc. Mae nifer o bobl yn dod o
ochre Gwynedd i gyfarfod Wrecsam ac mae'n siwr y bydd cyfle i gael
cyfarfod yng Ngwynedd os oes galw.
This is my last post on this list because there's no point in having
a never-ending slanging match. Before I go I want to correct Ilyan on
a few things:
- I am registered to receive digests (just as I've received this
one). Nobody sends me postings.
- There is no censorship on imc-wales - it's not even up and running
yet! My comments about IndyCymru were based on what I saw - dominated
by comments from conspiratorial rantings from Darker Cloud (one name
I remember) and suchlike. Your reference to a plot in 1954 merely
confirms my point.
- Like any good activist, I'll use every avenue to get my case across
- even standing in elections. I believe the LNG campaigners are doing
the same. Are they to be denounced too as not adhering to the
principles of the next step? You really are a plonker, Ilyan.
I wish you all the best - and hope those not mired in conspiracy
theories and personal vendettas will get involved in the indymedia
site for Wales.
Pob hwyl
Marc
On 19 Jan 2007, at 09:46, imc-cymru-request at lists.indymedia.org wrote:
>
> Somehow Marc is reading the imc-cymru list but is not registerd to
> sent
> to it. So someone has to spend time passing his lies on.
>
> Conspiracies reported on Indycymru were ones based on personal
> experience. The most damaging one to Indycymru was the plot in
> Indymedia that called Tony Gosling a Fascist. They ran a witch
> hunt
> that even corrupted the Union site run by Eric Lee. Indycymru
> later
> had someone spend about week in Gosling's company and found no
> evidence
> of Fascism. It was not necessary to shoot him as a spy.
>
> The other conspiracy talked about on IndyCymru was the plot to make
> Socialism impossible in the UK that I discovered in 1954. Blair now
> imposes the policies of that plotter, that Conspiracy has taken over
> the Labour Party and penetrated most other political parties in the
> UK.
>
> So Marc is a Parliamentarian? An enemy of the pinciples set out in
> the Miners' Next Step ? We see where imc-wales stands. he joins
> those
> who pretend to believe in open publishing but run a censorship.
>
> Marc complains Indycymru was not a news outlet for campaigners. He
> lies. Everything submitted was published, and all campaigns know
> about
> were visited and reported on.
>
> Why do you lie Marc? And why did Ana repeat your lies when they were
> exposed.
>
> Ilyan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Subject:
> From:
> serencymru at phonecoop.coop
> Date:
> Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:15:26 +0000
>
> To:
> imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>
>
> Fortunately few people left on this list are going to fall for this
> kind
> of paranoid conspiracy theorising. I have no idea what happened to
> IndyCymru but it was full of the most appalling conspiracy theories
> rather than being a news outlet for campaigners.
>
> The only bigot I see is someone who pins labels on people who don't
> want
> to work with him. But then you'll probably reject my comments as
> someone
> who's "Parliamentarian" and "anti-Welsh". I've lost count of the
> people
> who have been abused and put off by this kind of ranting.
>
> In terms of the meeting in Wrecsam, the initial responses were all
> from
> N or Mid Wales. There are people involved from S Wales, so another
> meeting can happen there. With the ongoing protests at Hafod, LNG and
> other struggles like Burberry, the need for a independent media
> site is
> obvious and that's what we're trying to do.
>
> Marc
>
> ==========
>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] Imc-cymru etc
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:57:27 +0000
> From: Ilyan <ac.thomas at ntlworld.com>
> Reply-To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> References: <mailman.57.1169150571.11756.imc-
> cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
> <BD2664A2-9C72-4B1B-83C0-E2EFCE54EB1F at phonecoop.coop>
>
> Is it significant that an independent welsh uncensored site was
> sabotaged out of existence soon after it put in an application to be
> IMC, and that setting up a censored welsh site is being engineered.
> Who profits? The Establishment, The Labour Party, Parliamentarians,
> Gauleiters, and Quislings. Is it significant that Ana did nothing to
> get the Indycymru application considered. If we had had a
> rejection
> we would know the present nature of Indymedia.
>
> Should we be doing a Hemmingway about it? - he was asked about not
> telling the Spanish Civil War truth.
>
> Some of the people now joining the United Konformists censorship welsh
> group were invited to be part of IndyCymru years ago and rejected the
> opportunity. Probably because they are Parliamentarians, or anti-
> welsh,
> or some sort of bigot unable to work with a variety of non conforming
> people. Why else?
>
> Indycymru meetings have been more central, and organised so that it is
> usually possible to get a lift to the meeting place from most parts of
> Wales.
>
> Ilyan
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:39:37 +0000
> From: Philip Steele <phil_steele at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] Imc-cymru Digest, Vol 36, Issue 5
> To: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
> Message-ID: <CD8B4233-42D8-4B46-8275-B0F7269E3634 at btinternet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> Beth am symud ymlaen?
> I subscribed as a total indymedia novice, seemed like a great idea.
> But the correspondence to date has been either over-technical,
> bureaucaratic, introverted or bitchy.
> When people start exchanging useful information or debate, perhaps
> I'll be
> less 'shy' about contributing or proselytising in the northwest!
> Can't do 3rd
> I fear.
>
> Phil S
> Llangoed, Ynys M?n
>
>
>
>
>
> On 19 Jan 2007, at 09:22, imc-cymru-request at lists.indymedia.org wrote:
>
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>>
>> 1. Re: imc-cymru list welcome (Darren Wyn Rees)
>> 2. Re: imc-cymru list welcome (Genny)
>> 3. Re: imc-cymru list welcome (Genny)
>> 4. Re: imc-cymru list welcome (Darren Wyn Rees)
>> 5. Re: imc-cymru list welcome (Genny)
>> 6. Re: Imc-cymru Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4
>> (serencymru at phonecoop.coop)
>> 7. Re: Imc-cymru etc (Ilyan)
>> 8. Exasperated (Kelvin Mason)
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:13:02 +0000
>> From: Darren Wyn Rees <darren at cymraeg.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>> Message-ID: <1169154782.6960.30.camel at localhost.localdomain>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 17:38 +0000, James Dunckley wrote:
>>
>>> A load of English incomers by the sound of it. "Wales" is easier to
>>> pronounce than "Cymru". I heard an English guy on a radio advert
>>> the other
>>> day, he pronounced "Cwmdu" as "Come-doo".
>>>
>>> You gotta laugh...
>>
>> Is there any one associated with the proposed new Imc Wales project
>> who
>> is *not* from Wrexham ?
>>
>> At least one can say that Indy Cymru ran for several years with
>> people
>> from all across Wales, as both contributors and editors.
>>
>> I'm not sure why Genny Bove aspires to call it a Wales IMC if there's
>> only Wrexham activists involved. It seems a bit... presumptious.
>> Surely then it should be called Imc Wrexham ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:27:17 +0000
>> From: Genny <vg at genny.force9.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>> Message-ID: <45AFE635.3030305 at genny.force9.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Those on the imc-wales list list include activists from North East
>> Wales, North West Wales, West
>> Wales and South Wales.
>>
>> Genny
>>
>> Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 17:38 +0000, James Dunckley wrote:
>>>
>>>> A load of English incomers by the sound of it. "Wales" is easier to
>>>> pronounce than "Cymru". I heard an English guy on a radio advert
>>>> the other
>>>> day, he pronounced "Cwmdu" as "Come-doo".
>>>>
>>>> You gotta laugh...
>>>
>>> Is there any one associated with the proposed new Imc Wales
>>> project who
>>> is *not* from Wrexham ?
>>>
>>> At least one can say that Indy Cymru ran for several years with
>>> people
>>> from all across Wales, as both contributors and editors.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure why Genny Bove aspires to call it a Wales IMC if
>>> there's
>>> only Wrexham activists involved. It seems a bit... presumptious.
>>> Surely then it should be called Imc Wrexham ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Imc-cymru mailing list
>>> Imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-cymru
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:10:28 +0000
>> From: Genny <vg at genny.force9.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>> Message-ID: <45AFB814.5050600 at genny.force9.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I joined this list a while back. I respect that many people on
>> this list are trying to set up
>> indycymru again and I hope that this project is successful.
>>
>> However, what I wanted to work on was a page for Wales within uk
>> indymedia. When it became apparent
>> that some people on the imc-cymru list didn't want to do this, and
>> were unhappy or suspicious that
>> new people had joined the list to work on this project, I set up a
>> separate list and posted a
>> message to this list to explain why. So there are now two lists,
>> imc-cymru (this one) and
>> imc-wales, which is working within uk indymedia. I don't think
>> there is any lack of transparency -
>> membership and archives of the list are open to anyone, although
>> the stated purpose of the list is
>> to create a regional page for Wales within uk indymedia, so it
>> isn't a place for discussion about
>> the pros and cons of this option - it's a place to work on making
>> it happen.
>>
>> The list includes English people living in Wales (like me) and
>> Welsh people living in Wales and some
>> imc-istas who have offered to help out. We have Welsh speakers
>> on the list and are looking at
>> ways to make the Wales pages bilingual and to encourage people to
>> post to indymedia in Welsh.
>>
>> I hope this information is helpful.
>>
>> Genny
>>
>>
>> James Dunckley wrote:
>>> A load of English incomers by the sound of it. "Wales" is easier to
>>> pronounce than "Cymru". I heard an English guy on a radio advert
>>> the other
>>> day, he pronounced "Cwmdu" as "Come-doo".
>>>
>>> You gotta laugh...
>>>
>>> Jim.
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Darren Wyn Rees <darren at cymraeg.org>
>>>> Reply-To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>>>> To: Ilyan <ac.thomas at ntlworld.com>
>>>> CC: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:46:04 +0000
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the welcome information, Ilyan.
>>>>
>>>> Who do you think is backing this Indy Wales project ?
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't seem particularly transparent to put it mildly.
>>>>
>>>> I've sent this message to the imc-cymru mailing list, where
>>>> discussion
>>>> should continue, if you please.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Darren
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Imc-cymru mailing list
>>>> Imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>>> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-cymru
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:10:32 +0000
>> From: Darren Wyn Rees <darren at cymraeg.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>> Message-ID: <1169158232.6960.67.camel at localhost.localdomain>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 21:27 +0000, Genny Bove wrote:
>>
>>> Those on the imc-wales list list include activists from North East
>>> Wales,
>>> North West Wales, West Wales and South Wales.
>>
>> They're shy are they ?
>>
>> I've read through the archives of your imc-wales mailing list at
>> indymedia.org and I count 5 people in total who have posted since
>> September 2006.
>>
>> The introductory message I sent to the imc-wales list on Monday was
>> deleted. I emailed all list owners, however, they have declined to
>> reply.
>>
>> Why are you deleting messages posted to the imc-wales list Genny
>> Bove ?
>> It's churlish and you're not exactly overwhelmed by contributions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:46:58 +0000
>> From: Genny <vg at genny.force9.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>> Message-ID: <45AFF8E2.40608 at genny.force9.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> I haven't deleted any message from you, Darren. I check the
>> pending moderator requests regularly as
>> the filter seems to pick up mails from members for unfathomable (to
>> me) reasons, and I'm sure I
>> would have remembered if I'd seen one from you... unless it looked
>> like spam. :o)
>>
>> There are a number of admins on the imc-wales list. I'm not aware
>> that anyone else has deleted a
>> message. Would you like to re-send it?
>>
>> I'm puzzled by your concerns about who posts to the list. Does it
>> really matter? But for your
>> information, seven different people have posted this month alone.
>> Why say five since September if
>> this isn't true? There seems to be unnecessary hostility here.
>>
>> I applaud the efforts to re-launch indycymru and I wish you every
>> success.
>>
>> If you can't extend the same goodwill to imc-wales, then please at
>> least just leave us to get on
>> with it. Anyway, I've wasted enough time here tonight. I'm off to
>> do more constructive things!
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Genny
>>
>>
>> Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 21:27 +0000, Genny Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> Those on the imc-wales list list include activists from North
>>>> East Wales,
>>>> North West Wales, West Wales and South Wales.
>>>
>>> They're shy are they ?
>>>
>>> I've read through the archives of your imc-wales mailing list at
>>> indymedia.org and I count 5 people in total who have posted since
>>> September 2006.
>>>
>>> The introductory message I sent to the imc-wales list on Monday was
>>> deleted. I emailed all list owners, however, they have declined to
>>> reply.
>>>
>>> Why are you deleting messages posted to the imc-wales list Genny
>>> Bove ?
>>> It's churlish and you're not exactly overwhelmed by contributions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Imc-cymru mailing list
>>> Imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-cymru
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:37:28 +0000
>> From: serencymru at phonecoop.coop
>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] Imc-cymru Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4
>> To: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>> Message-ID: <BD2664A2-9C72-4B1B-83C0-E2EFCE54EB1F at phonecoop.coop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>>
>> That's quite a bold statement to make Jim. And inaccurate. To then go
>> on and accuse these people of being unable to say "Cymru" based on a
>> radio advert is bizarre.
>>
>> This list is hardly setting a good example re Cymraeg when three of
>> the four participants can speak Welsh but we communicate in English.
>> Motes and beams, not that I'm a fan of quoting the Bible at anyone!
>>
>> As regards transparency, everyone is welcome to a meeting on Feb 3rd
>> in Wrexham. If you can't make that, organise one in your own area and
>> see what happens. One of the issues up for debate is ensuring
>> bilingualism on the site.
>>
>> hope to see you there
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On 18 Jan 2007, at 20:02, imc-cymru-request at lists.indymedia.org
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Send Imc-cymru mailing list submissions to
>>> imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>>
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>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Re: imc-cymru list welcome (James Dunckley)
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> -
>>> -
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:38:42 +0000
>>> From: "James Dunckley" <serengoch at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>>> To: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org, ac.thomas at ntlworld.com
>>> Message-ID: <BAY113-F16AB25A678827FC6C665DBA3AA0 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>>>
>>> A load of English incomers by the sound of it. "Wales" is easier to
>>> pronounce than "Cymru". I heard an English guy on a radio advert
>>> the other
>>> day, he pronounced "Cwmdu" as "Come-doo".
>>>
>>> You gotta laugh...
>>>
>>> Jim.
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Darren Wyn Rees <darren at cymraeg.org>
>>>> Reply-To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>>>> To: Ilyan <ac.thomas at ntlworld.com>
>>>> CC: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:46:04 +0000
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the welcome information, Ilyan.
>>>>
>>>> Who do you think is backing this Indy Wales project ?
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't seem particularly transparent to put it mildly.
>>>>
>>>> I've sent this message to the imc-cymru mailing list, where
>>>> discussion
>>>> should continue, if you please.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Darren
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Imc-cymru mailing list
>>>> Imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>>> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-cymru
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile.
>>> http://www.msn.txt4content.com/
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> End of Imc-cymru Digest, Vol 36, Issue 4
>>> ****************************************
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:57:27 +0000
>> From: Ilyan <ac.thomas at ntlworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] Imc-cymru etc
>> To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>> Message-ID: <45B01777.8010500 at ntlworld.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Is it significant that an independent welsh uncensored site was
>> sabotaged out of existence soon after it put in an application to be
>> IMC, and that setting up a censored welsh site is being engineered.
>> Who profits? The Establishment, The Labour Party,
>> Parliamentarians,
>> Gauleiters, and Quislings. Is it significant that Ana did
>> nothing to
>> get the Indycymru application considered. If we had had a
>> rejection
>> we would know the present nature of Indymedia.
>>
>> Should we be doing a Hemmingway about it? - he was asked about not
>> telling the Spanish Civil War truth.
>>
>> Some of the people now joining the United Konformists censorship
>> welsh
>> group were invited to be part of IndyCymru years ago and rejected the
>> opportunity. Probably because they are Parliamentarians, or anti-
>> welsh,
>> or some sort of bigot unable to work with a variety of non conforming
>> people. Why else?
>>
>> Indycymru meetings have been more central, and organised so that
>> it is
>> usually possible to get a lift to the meeting place from most
>> parts of
>> Wales.
>>
>> Ilyan
>>
>> serencymru at phonecoop.coop wrote:
>>> That's quite a bold statement to make Jim. And inaccurate. To
>>> then go
>>> on and accuse these people of being unable to say "Cymru" based on a
>>> radio advert is bizarre.
>>>
>>> This list is hardly setting a good example re Cymraeg when three of
>>> the four participants can speak Welsh but we communicate in English.
>>> Motes and beams, not that I'm a fan of quoting the Bible at anyone!
>>>
>>> As regards transparency, everyone is welcome to a meeting on Feb 3rd
>>> in Wrexham. If you can't make that, organise one in your own area
>>> and
>>> see what happens. One of the issues up for debate is ensuring
>>> bilingualism on the site.
>>>
>>> hope to see you there
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On 18 Jan 2007, at 20:02, imc-cymru-request at lists.indymedia.org
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Send Imc-cymru mailing list submissions to
>>>> imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>>>
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>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>> imc-cymru-request at lists.indymedia.org
>>>>
>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>> imc-cymru-owner at lists.indymedia.org
>>>>
>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>> than "Re: Contents of Imc-cymru digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Re: imc-cymru list welcome (James Dunckley)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:38:42 +0000
>>>> From: "James Dunckley" <serengoch at hotmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>>>> To: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org, ac.thomas at ntlworld.com
>>>> Message-ID: <BAY113-F16AB25A678827FC6C665DBA3AA0 at phx.gbl>
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>>>> A load of English incomers by the sound of it. "Wales" is easier to
>>>> pronounce than "Cymru". I heard an English guy on a radio advert
>>>> the other
>>>> day, he pronounced "Cwmdu" as "Come-doo".
>>>>
>>>> You gotta laugh...
>>>>
>>>> Jim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Darren Wyn Rees <darren at cymraeg.org>
>>>>> Reply-To: IMC Wales <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>>>>> To: Ilyan <ac.thomas at ntlworld.com>
>>>>> CC: imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:46:04 +0000
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the welcome information, Ilyan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who do you think is backing this Indy Wales project ?
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't seem particularly transparent to put it mildly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've sent this message to the imc-cymru mailing list, where
>>>>> discussion
>>>>> should continue, if you please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Darren
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:04:55 -0000
>> From: "Kelvin Mason" <kjm04 at aber.ac.uk>
>> Subject: [Imc-cymru] Exasperated
>> To: "'IMC Wales'" <imc-cymru at lists.indymedia.org>
>> Message-ID: <E1H7pg7-0004WB-C3 at aber.ac.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> For fuck's sake! Let's fight among ourselves about who's really
>> Welsh and
>> who's the Real Popular Front for the Liberation... while
>> environmental
>> crisis, injustice, inequality, exploitation and war devastate the
>> planet
>> shall we? And resistance is unreported. There are few enough people
>> who give
>> a shit and aren't too seduced by shopping to remain conscious - so
>> why don't
>> these few bicker like idiots!
>>
>> Sori fy neges ydy yn Saesneg acos - colonialism meant that, Welsh
>> born and
>> bred for as many generations as you care to dig, Welsh was
>> deliberately
>> disparaged and not taught when I was in school.
>>
>> Let's get on with it
>>
>> Heddwch a hwyl
>>
>> Kelvin
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: imc-cymru-bounces at lists.indymedia.org
>> [mailto:imc-cymru-bounces at lists.indymedia.org] On Behalf Of Genny
>> Sent: 18 January 2007 22:47
>> To: IMC Wales
>> Subject: Re: [Imc-cymru] imc-cymru list welcome
>>
>> I haven't deleted any message from you, Darren. I check the pending
>> moderator requests regularly as
>> the filter seems to pick up mails from members for unfathomable (to
>> me)
>> reasons, and I'm sure I
>> would have remembered if I'd seen one from you... unless it looked
>> like
>> spam. :o)
>>
>> There are a number of admins on the imc-wales list. I'm not aware
>> that
>> anyone else has deleted a
>> message. Would you like to re-send it?
>>
>> I'm puzzled by your concerns about who posts to the list. Does it
>> really
>> matter? But for your
>> information, seven different people have posted this month alone.
>> Why say
>> five since September if
>> this isn't true? There seems to be unnecessary hostility here.
>>
>> I applaud the efforts to re-launch indycymru and I wish you every
>> success.
>>
>> If you can't extend the same goodwill to imc-wales, then please at
>> least
>> just leave us to get on
>> with it. Anyway, I've wasted enough time here tonight. I'm off to
>> do more
>> constructive things!
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Genny
>>
>>
>> Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 21:27 +0000, Genny Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> Those on the imc-wales list list include activists from North
>>>> East Wales,
>>
>>>> North West Wales, West Wales and South Wales.
>>>
>>> They're shy are they ?
>>>
>>> I've read through the archives of your imc-wales mailing list at
>>> indymedia.org and I count 5 people in total who have posted since
>>> September 2006.
>>>
>>> The introductory message I sent to the imc-wales list on Monday was
>>> deleted. I emailed all list owners, however, they have declined to
>>> reply.
>>>
>>> Why are you deleting messages posted to the imc-wales list Genny
>>> Bove ?
>>> It's churlish and you're not exactly overwhelmed by contributions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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