[Imc-cyprus] Re: [imc-hamilton] more on the DNS saga - some bitching and venting, and a possible solution

Tue Nov 1 20:01:26 PST 2005

Hi Petros, and other friends...

O.K. I did a quick check of your work and it looks like you have set up 
the names correctly. Well done. Sounds like we should fire the Indy DNS 
folks and get you doing it :-)

They were not the original names we spoke of so the little one line 
splash pages I set up in anticipation of the Indy DNS folks work are not 
being served right now, but that sould be no more than a 10 minute fix 
at this end. all 3 of the names do seem to be correctly pointed to illich.

So, lets assume thats all good... We could indeed then go ahead and 
install some Dada's, but there are a few things you should know first.

Because of the way Spud has written Dada if you do it with these new 
names, and then at some time in the future wanted to switch to 
".indymedia.org" names I think there is a problem, because Dada uses 
"hard coded" url's within the media gallery, in other words if you 
change the domain name of a site all the media gallery links on the Dada 
site will become "broken" even though the content is still there, I have 
never seen this problem in the real world, so I may have the details 
slightly wrong, but pending clarification from Spud I would advise 
caution...

On the other hand you might be so pissed off with Indy that you might 
see not being able to use those indy names in the future as a good 
thing? I share your frustration belive me...

There are a few other issues outstanding:

During our install of Dada here in Hamilton we discovered several bugs 
in the Dada install utility. Spud is aware of them and has asked us to 
hold off on doing further setups untill he patches them, I think that 
work may be done, but I would like to confirm that prior to going ahead. 
Also we have found via trial and error that there are combinations of 
features that the Dada admin. interface will let you set which will 
leave you with a broken site, the software is far from fully debugged. 
Andrew here in Hamilton has done most of the late night sessions working 
that stuff out and is, I understand,  in process of documenting it, so 
in a couple of days we should be able to send you an email with a "what 
NOT to do" list when you are setting up your sites. These issues pertain 
regardless of which domain names get used, so if you can bear with us 
till we get them resolved it will save both of our groups a lot of 
hours, and further frustration...

So, how does this sound:

You folks may want to have some discussion to be really sure you want to 
go ahead with these non-indy names as a long term thing, and let us know 
the results of that.

I will do the full test of those names tomorrow by setting up the 1 line 
splash pages

I will then tell Spud we are waiting on him to give us the status of the 
installer bug fixes, and hopefully by the time that is done Andrew will 
have his hints list ready for you

I think we are within a few days now...

How does this all sound?

Petros Evdokas wrote:
> Hello John,
> and friends at Hamilton imc,
> 
> As you can see we have not yet received any response
> from the imc DNS work- group, even after three very
> polite letter from you and us.
> 
> This of course underlines the terrible problems within
> our global indymedia network, which have become
> institutionalized since the individualist ideology of
> "cooperation = oppression" has become dominant among
> our people. The problems often manifest as technical,
> or financial, but at the core they are political. 
> 
> So many of our people just simply can't tell the
> difference between a behaviour that says 
> "I am your friend and ally, depend on me",
> and behaviour that says
> "Fuck you and the middle eastern donkey you rode on".
> 
> Oh well.
> 
> 
> Well, I studied up on a possible solution to our DNS
> problem and I did something which may solve it, but I
> don't feel very secure about it since it's my first
> attempt at doing this. Please advise if you have
> thoughts or knowledge?
> 
> I created these three subdomains for each
> one of our language groups:
> 
> ellinika.cyprusindymedia.org (hellenic/greek)
> turkce.cyprusindymedia.org (turkish)
> english.cyprusindymedia.org (english)
> 
> Please note that they are subdomains of the "other"
> (the unofficial) domain, which is the one without the
> dot in between the words 
> "cyprus" 
> and
> "indymedia".
> 
> I tried to instruct the DNS of our webhosting service
> to point these at the Illich server, to 
> 216.221.91.142 
> 
> I don't know when or how we would know if it's worked
> or not. Do we have some way to test it?
> 
> If it works, then, John, I think you should be now
> enabled to create the three instances of dadaimc that
> we had talked about in ...what month was that? 
> 
> It's been almost the entire year of 2005 that Cyprus
> IndyMedia has been out of commission, and of that,
> only a few days were due to the malicious attacks; all
> other down times were due to the lack of
> accountability and political irresponsibility of our
> own indymedia people.
> 
> We're so grateful to have found you - so far, working
> with you has been exceptionally rewarding in terms of
> good communication, responsiveness, accountability.
> 
> Thanks again for being there for us,
> Petros
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