[Imc-drupal-dev] [IMC-Tech] Knight Foundation Grant

[Sasha Costanza-Chock]

Hi all, and hi ryan,

I wasn't part of the grantwriting team, and I happen to believe that
there's zero chance Knight foundation will directly fund Indymedia even
if we could come to consensus on taking their money ;)

However, I don't think we really need a flame war about it. I do think
there was reasonable amount of consensus among those IMCs and developers
who are trying to customize drupal that it's OK to seek funding for a
drupal IMC development push.

The grant was put together quickly, and it's only the first stage of a
two stage process. The next thing that would happen is Knight will ask
for a full grant proposal, and then there will be a period of a couple
months to try and hash out consensus among Indymedia Drupal developers
about what exactly goes in that proposal.

I would like to beg... plead! for us to not fight about this. At least
wait until we are asked for a full proposal ;)

peace
schock

ryan wrote:
> Well, looking at the grant application, it appears like all the advice
> we gave about -not- making it look like it represents global IMC, that
> it's for a local & isolated project, the whole history of that type of
> action, was COMPLETELY ignored.
> 
> This grant -literally- takes credit for the work of all the different
> IMCs ("There are more than 165 autonomous multilingual IMCs around the
> world.") and represents as if this grant is for the entire global
> network when, in reality, it represents a small and local endeavor
> which, as Occam writes, doesn't even begin to address what's needed out
> of a new CMS for Indymedia. It appears to be intentionally written as if
> it is submitted by Global IMC, -for- Global IMC and -for- the
> imc-finance fund.
> 
> It would be one thing if you sent this grant without knowing. But you
> -did- know. We explained to you about imc-finance, imc-cms, the history
> of grant applications like this, etc. And, knowing all this, you guys
> went ahead and submitted a grant application that represents itself as
> Global IMC, without Global IMC's approval or knowledge.
> 
> I can only imagine that as more people find out, there will be outrage
> expressed on these lists, outrage expressed to the Knight Foundation, etc.
> 
> I'm really disappointed. And I have to ask: did the grant-writing group
> take into account -anything- that people have said? Because it certainly
> doesn't seem like that.
> 
> -ryan
> 
> 
> 
> Sofia JarrinT wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> Yes, it was. You can view it via the link below. Please notice that this is just Round 1 of the application. Knight selects applicants to move to a second round, requiring them to submit a longer proposal for Round 2.
>>
>> http://generalapp.newschallenge.org/SNC/ViewItem.aspx?pguid=4a4f8c6a-d2c2-4545-82db-c8ed4b415eba&itemguid=b580bbc5-0daa-4267-aa40-a66962a19b06
>>
>> Please notice that the title does not reflect exactly what we hope this grant does or how to allocate the funds. This has been so far an Imc-Drupal initiative, but that does mean we don't take seriously the imc-cms group goals or reservations/concerns about this proposal. Not saying "drupal" could've implied that we had imc-cms or global consensus on this, which is obviously not the case.
>>
>> Also notice the line we added that says, "We are committed to work
>> with other IMC CMS groups in an open and collaborative manner in order
>> to build on already existing technologies."
>>
>> Back up documentation is available on the wiki:
>> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Devel/ImcDrupalDev
>>
>> best,
>> sofia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: ryan <ryan at linefeed.org>
>> To: imc-tech at lists.indymedia.org
>> Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 12:27:50 PM
>> Subject: [IMC-Tech] Knight Foundation Grant
>>
>> Was it applied for? If I recall, we are passed the deadline. -ryan
>>
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