[Imc-drupal-dev] Ivan: Translation...

Wed Oct 29 12:10:34 PDT 2008

I think "distribution" is more correct; "prototype" sounds "square, standard, and normal". I think that the idea is to adapt the experience of Indymedia as a movement, militant and committed, to this generation's tools (web 2.0, blablabla), for Indymedia and for other collectives that need Drupal in order to create a virtual newspaper focused on quality of information and the community.

An idea I have is to promote the spirit of multilinguism within the sought distribution, for example, for a great section of the Aymara and Quechua population and 34 other language varieties  in Bolivia. Maybe the internet has not arrived to their communities, but that does not justify that the technology is not available in their language. In TRANSLATIONS http://drupal.org/project/Translations there's currently no translation for some of the "minority" languages. Perhaps we should propose the translation as part of this project.

IvAn
Bolivia Imc

----- Original Message ----
From: IvAn Terceros R. <baon at riseup.net>
To: imc-drupal-dev at lists.indymedia.org
Cc: Sofia JarrinT <sofiajt at yahoo.com>; bruno at indymedia.be; Benjamin Melancon <ben at agaricdesign.com>; chyn at ojctech.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:56:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Imc-drupal-dev] Grant Proposal: 2ND DRAFT

Pienso que "distribución" es la palabra más correcta, "prototipo" suena "cuadrado", "standar" y "normal". Yo creo que la idea esta en adaptar la experiencia de Indymedia como movimiento, militante y comprometido a las herramientas de esta generación (web 2.0, blablabla), para Indymedia y otros colectivos que necesiten de Drupal para crear un periodico virtual enfoncados a la calidad de la información y a la comunidad.

Una idea que tengo es potenciar el espiritu del multilinguismo dentro de la distribución que se pretende, por ejemplo en Bolivia una gran parte de la población habla Aymara o Quechua o 34 variedades más de idiomas, quiza internet aún no llego hasta donde viven, pero eso no justifica que la tecnología no este disponible en su idioma. En DRUPAL TRANSLATIONS http://drupal.org/project/Translations no existen traducción para algunos idiomas "minoritarios", quiza sea bueno tambien plantear la traducción como parte del proyecto.

IvAn

Mark
Bruno De Bondt <bruno at indymedia.be> ha escrito:

> Hi again,
> 
> Re-read it, some more thoughts:
> 
> - At the end of the 'Describe your project'-part, we currently write
> that some IMC's switched to Drupal 'with limited success'. I think it
> would be better to use 'with mixed success'. As far as IMC Belgium goes,
> the switch to Drupal has been really succesful, both in terms of the
> technology we got our hands on by switching to Drupal (quality of the
> system, security, development community and resources, ...), as well as
> the flexibilty that the system allows, etc. Also, if we use 'mixed', we
> indicate from the start that we have the know how to pull this off
> (which we really have, if you look at the list of people involved).
> 
> - People here also commented on the 'How is your idea innovative'-part.
> As it is written now, the answer focuses on Indymedia, and not on the
> Drupal IMC platform. It may be more interesting to talk about the fact
> that we want to offer what Indymedia offered 9 years ago (= the ability
> to publish on the web) with state of the art technology anno 2008
> (Drupal). Said otherwise, we want to re-create what we built with
> sf-active, Dada, Mir, ... with today's tools (also refering to the video
> transcoding aspect in my last mail). This is really cool: people have
> the option today to publish whatever they like on the web with today's
> tools, but (mostly) in a commercial context. What's innovative and
> unique about our approach, is that we want to build something that
> allows people to do this in a non profit/non commercial context. This
> could be Indymedia, but could just as well be a social movement,
> affinity group, ... (I'm referring to the last sentence in the 'How will
> your project improve the way news and information are delivered ...'-part).
> 
> talk to you soon,
> - bruno
> 
> Bruno De Bondt wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The second draft looks really good imho.
>> 
>> Some thoughts:
>> 
>> - I don't know if 'prototype' is the right word for what we want to
>> build. Would 'distribution' be more suitable?
>> 
>> - I think the part about the geographical communities ("How will your
>> project improve the way news and information are delivered to geographic
>> communities?") may need to be rewritten to emphasise on the local aspect
>> of the project - I've heard from several people that the "locality
>> dimension" is important for the News Challenge grants. So perhaps focus
>> more on the 'organising platform to report local news etc'-part there?
>> In any case, i would use the word 'local' a couple of times in that
>> paragraph :-)
>> 
>> - Another thing that we (Belgium Imc) would really like to look at is
>> how to get video transcoding and distribution going in a decent way. We
>> would like to offer a video solution to our reporters where uploaded
>> video is transcoded to Flash video automatically and where people are
>> able to embed it in their own site. From a pure technical perspective,
>> this may not seem to be such a problem (there's FFmpeg, and Media Mover
>> looks pretty cool). It's mostly a matter of getting the infrastructure
>> right (distributed transcoding, going through a CDN etc). Anyways, it's
>> something we will be looking into. And it might be cool to be able to
>> offer this as part of the Drupal IMC platform (even though an IMC would
>> still need the funds to set up the infrastructure etc. Or could we use a
>> shared transcoding server?)
>> 
>> - The imc-cms (and indeed imc-tech) lists might also be good places to
>> forward this to, even if it were only to keep people up to date with
>> what's happening in Indymedia-Drupal-land.
>> 
>> Some other people here are reviewing the second draft - so I might send
>> some other things over later.
>> 
>> Sofia, thanks a bunch for putting this all together!
>> talk to you soon,
>> - bruno
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sofia JarrinT wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance to everyone who sent suggestions for the Knight  Foundation Grant proposal for an Indymedia Drupal prototype. You  can view it here:
>>> 
>>> http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Devel/ImcDrupalDev
>>> 
>>> "NEWSCHALLENGEPROPOSAL.v2.doc:"
>>> 
>>> I have tried my best to incorporate ideas, but I would love for  people to review it carefully and make sure it makes sense  (particularly the last section on expertise).
>>> 
>>> DEADLINE:
>>> Please review changes for Wednesday, October 29.
>>> 
>>> MONEY:
>>> I am asking for $200,000. Roughly calculating 6-10 developers  working on it, plus $50,000 for training and Tech support for IMCs  that don't have Drupal developers. Is that too much?! Too little?
>>> 
>>> TIMELINE:
>>> Amount to finalize project: 1 year (considering our  decentralization, I think that's a good way to go). Comments?
>>> 
>>> Here are the IMCs that are in so far:
>>> 
>>>     * Boston Imc
>>>     * Belgium Imc
>>>     * Indybay Imc
>>>     * UK Imc
>>>     * St. Louis Imc
>>>     * Columbus Imc
>>>     * Scotland Imc
>>>     * Arizona Imc
>>>     * Bolivia Imc
>>>     * Bolivia Imc
>>>     * Germany Imc
>>>     * Venezuela Imc
>>> 
>>> IMC-TECH?
>>> Should we forward this email to the Imc-Tech list to see if  there's anyone else who wants to join?
>>> 
>>> best,
>>> Sofia J.
>>> Boston Imc
>>> 
>>> 
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