[Imc-germany] Fwd: [IMC-Process] belgium.indymedia.org on belgium.indymedia.org & the syndication project.
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Fr Sep 10 05:45:27 PDT 2004
FYI: Erklaerung des belgium.indymedia.org Kollektivs zur Situation in
Belgien (dort gibt es noch eine andere Gruppe, die ebenfalls Anspruch auf
die Domain erhebt und eine Syndication-Site als Dachloesung vorgeschlagen
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:01:13 +0200
From: "han at indymedia.be" <han at indymedia.be>
To: imc-process at lists.indymedia.org
Subject: [IMC-Process] belgium.indymedia.org on belgium.indymedia.org &
the syndication project.
General assembly of belgium.indymedia.org:
Report on the discussion on the issue of the proposed syndication website
and the use of the belgium.indymedia.org url.
Mara (Bxl), Bruno (BXL), Danny (Leuven), Frank (OVL), Mauricio (bxl),
Manolis (Leuven), Christophe DV (Bxl), Raf (bxl), Renaat (OVL), Peter
(WVL), Jacco (Bxl), Marthe (Bxl), Christophe C (Bxl), Linde (Bxl), Jan
(Bxl), Antonio (Liege), Flo (Bxl), Marc (Antwerpen), han (Bxl), Steven
(Bxl), Rosario (Liege), Joanthan (Liege), Dominique (Antwerpen),
Brunhilde (Antwerpen), Kristina (Antwerpen)
# Two IMC's in belgium???
Today's reality is that are two existing national indymedia projects in
There is the original belgium.indymedia.org project whose initiators and
founders all are still taking part/cooperating & active, it also has
number of people involved and collaborating. (belgium.indymedia.org /
Next to that there is a new project that grew out of people who splitted
from the original project. The reasons why people splitted and/or started
a local IMC are variable and not all local IMC's have the same dynamics.
Still the different local IMC's have a common project, the syndication
The two national indymedia projects clearly have a different vision, which
is inevitable as the new project(s) defined themselves in
contradiction/opposition with the existing indymedia project and developed
their own profile and
We do not feel it as our duty to speak out on the legitimacy of the new
indymedia project in Belgium, in fact we see nobody who would be able to do
We do not want to make a value judgement of neither the syndication project
or the local IMC's in Belgium.
Many will regret it, but today's situation in Belgium is that there exist
two different national indymedia projects, each with their own profile,
vision.... We think that there are certainly possibilities for cooperation
think also that such cooperation is only possible if there is respect for
other and each other's autonomy. We are also aware of the fact that there
deep wounds and that time necessary is needed to heal these.
On the General assembly of September 2003 we decided with
belgium.indymedia.org to start start working more localy. We have undertaken
attempts to start
We lost a number of new volunteers in Molenbeek and limburg because we asked
them to set up a local indymedia instead of cooperating with the existing
They announced themselves to make media and we asked them to form a
collective, work out principles of unity, manage a web infrastructure, ....
those people pulled out.
Belgium is smaller than Paris, London, New York, San Fransisco, Manilla...
both in number of inhabitants and in scope. You are faster from Ghent,
Kortrijk ... in Brussels then it takes you to get from the suburbs of New
York/Paris/London/... into the town center. .
We must take into account that Get-Basic aims to give a trainings in
media-activism to 500 people in the coming five years. That will lead to the
of all kinds of groups, teams.... collectives, which is something that
Get-basic wants to stimulate. Belgium.indymedia.org will continue to
function as a
national collective but does not exclude the birth of local/topic/...
collectives within the belgium.indymedia.org framework.
Moreover the Belgian collective chose also to be a place were Dutch-speaking
and French-speaking people can cooperate, subdividing in local collectives
would make that cooperation a lot more difficult.
# The syndication project.
We do not think that this is the way to build indymedia indymedia in
Belgium. The syndication site aims to be nothing more than a
technological solution, an empty box which is filled with contributions
of different indymedia's in Belgium. We do not think that this is a way
to create dynamic media.
We do not wish take part in the syndication project. We clearly have
another vision concerning indymedia and rather want that it is clear
that it concerns two different projects.
We can prohibit of course nobody to use our newswire
We concider Belgium.indymedia.org as our link to the indymedia
We wish under no circumstances give up that link as we feel 100% at
home within the overall indymedia project.
Belgium.indymedia.org is a url where thousands of webpages link to.
Those people link consciously to the existing Belgian indymedia, and not to
the new syndication project.
The reality is that there are in Belgium two national indymedia
projects. It is no precedent in the indymedia network that different
operate in same a region because they keep another vision.
Even if we do not wish to take part in the syndication project we do
not want to stop, impede /...the project
# however, we find that the initiators must be consequent:
- they wish to build a national structure/Internet site parallel to
the existing belgium.indymedia.org, it also normal that they conquer
themselves a place under the sun and make their own url known to the world.
- We think that it is rather normal that the new Belgian indymedia
project has another url then the existing belgium.indymedia.org, it concerns
new project that developped beside the existing project.
Of course we want to cooperate with other indymedia initiatives in Belgium,
if that cooperation can happen with reciprocal respect. We repeat our
proposal to meet with the two national indymedia projects and examine
of cooperation. Such conversations can of course also take place with a
The full conclusions of our general assembly can be found in dutch on
imc-process mailing list
imc-process at lists.indymedia.org
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