[imc-baghdad] Re[2]: [New-imc] Jerusalem

[Mike R]

Hi Petros,

So IMC-Palestine's problem is technical?  We have had similar problems
with our code, though I believe Jerusalem uses sf-active & we have our
own slash based code (Madrid is the only other IMC using our code).

That said, I agree with Petros that there is a problem with IMCs set
up from outside, especially with what happened in Prague (though it is
a local collective now) and what is happening with Baghdad. With
Jerusalem, I was a little more active on New-IMC then so I do remember
Bilal working closely with some north americans, but mainly with local
groups and also having discussions with IMC-Israel's collective.

Tech is a problem in all countries, as we have seen with Switzerland's
need to have hosting from outside the country.  Tech is not so much an
issue of local outreach and organizing.  I am not on any tech lists,
so I do not know the global process for getting things fixed.  With an
all volunteer group, it does take time.  We may need to have rotating
sort of "on call" tech volunteers to handle issues such as the
publishing code breaking in not only their local IMC, but for any IMC
that uses their code.  Again, I'm not in the tech collective, so this
may have already been discussed globally.  I know we have been
discussing it in Philadelphia for resolving issues here.

- Miker at phillyimc.org

Thursday, May 22, 2003, 10:07:55 AM, Petros said:

>> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 
>> From: Mike R <micro.zen at verizon.net>
>> Subject: [New-imc] Jerusalem
>> 
>> Hey new-imc,
>> 
>>   Does anyone know what has been happening with the Palestine IMC?
>> There have been no new posts or features since February.  Is
>> everything ok with them?
>> 
>> --
>>  Mike
>> --------------- 

PE> Hi Mike,

PE> I'll forward your letter to some of our contacts in
PE> Palestine and the broader community. 

PE> This is a recurring problem, and not just with
PE> imc-Jerusalem. If you follow the discussions going on
PE> within and around the new-imc working group, you'll see
PE> that it keeps being reproduced by our American and
PE> European imc colleagues all over the world, who keep
PE> insisting to set up imc "sites" without building a
PE> political relationship with collectively oriented
PE> people - reliable radical activists - in each
PE> community.

PE> I fear that now this problem is being reproduced in the
PE> case of imc-Baghdad. There is a lot of interest to
PE> generate (and to spend) funds, and to create accees to
PE> (mostly irrelevant) technology, alongside with a
PE> fantastic reluctance to talk politics among the
PE> European and American imc- colleagues who are involved
PE> in that project. And we still have not heard a single
PE> word from any Iraqi voices on the politics of that
PE> project. The project does not even take a solid stance
PE> against the US/UK invasion and occupation of Iraq!

PE> I'm including a copy of this letter to 2 imc groups in
PE> our Middle East region which include individuals who
PE> are active on the Palestine issues locally (and to
PE> imc-baghdad).
PE> And I'm also re-printing below a plea for techical help
PE> from Bilal, which seems to have been ignored for quite
PE> a while. 

PE> Access to the internet is not very reliable in
PE> Palestine due to the Israeli military operations and
PE> collective punishment policies, so we'll have to be
PE> somewhat patient in waiting for some responses.


PE> Petros
PE> -----------------       


PE> [Imc-pal-volunteers] Re: [imc-pal-contact]
PE> URGENT ;TO whom it my concern : we
PE> cant publish , access or updating the site 

PE> Bilal Salameh kidar194 at yahoo.com 
PE> Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:50:18 -0700 (PDT) 


PE> Thanks Ana about ur letter : I dont think that you can
PE> help , if yes , i will tell you what the problem that
PE> we face since one and half month , we cant update the
PE> site , maybe there is something is wrong that happend 
PE> we dont know it , i thing the only one who can help is
PE> rayan form sanfrancesco , or he has the answear , i
PE> dont know can u tray to publish in our site to see the
PE> problem only in palestine or not , and if u can contact
PE> with rayan please do thanks againfreedom

PE> Ana Valdés <agora at algonet.se> wrote:What do you need as
PE> help?
PE> Ana, phisically in Sweden but in mind and in heart
PE> always in Palestine

PE> Bilal Salameh wrote:

>> hey to all , and specially to ryan :TO whom it my concern : we cant
>> publish , access or updating the site since one and half month, any
>> person can helpthanks
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>>
>> Bilal Salameh :"imc-palestine" ;http//www.jerusalem.indymedia.org
>>
>> Email : bilal at indymedia.org
>>
>> Cell phone : 00 972 (0)52 -814-992
>>
>> Palestine ; Bethlehem - Deheishah Refugee Camp

-- 
Mike
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