[Indymedia-jakarta] RE: [imc-darwin] Brisbane Indymedia

[mick lambe PARIAH]

Hi peepl

I'm not blocking/supporting - I think this whole affair is bullshit.

As far as I can see, brisbane will still have the indymedia 'logo'
and url - if the proposal goes ahead. I could be wrong, the 'mixed
messages' from some collectives have only added to my/the general
confusion.
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So Kimci - what exactly changes if this proposal is blocked? Bris get
three months to mount a defence? Then what? After even more months of
time-wasting angst and disharmony - we all see your side of things
and apologise? 

- Seem likely?
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I've never understood your need to keep this drama rolling (even to
the extent of threatening CAT and Oceania with disaffilation) after
your successful 'putsch'.

Your implications of Stalinism ("show trials" - "centralism") are
just offensive. A different story if Global had censured Cat and
Oceania on your behalf, one assumes.

Kimci - "We still want Oceania to answer for its actions but we have
never set them a deadline. We gave CAT 18 months and we haven't acted
on that.." 

- Were they guilty of something? Did I miss the trial?

Are you so ignorant of IMC (autonomous) principles, that you fail to
understand why global would prefer regional solutions?
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If individual collectives want to take brisbane indymedia off their
cities links - that's up to them. The darwin crew have never had any
intention of doing so. A 'pariah' indymedia is (I believe) a logical
absurdity. PoU.
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As to - the "old, big, scary, entrenched" indymedias?" :-)

- The ones that allow their sites to be a 'platform' for people
attacking activists? 

- The ones that allow disruption on their 'newswires' - to the
detriment of Independent Media's Credibility and the people we serve?


- Those ones?

How the "old, big, scary, entrenched" indymedias can berate
brisbane.indy on that point is beyond me. We bloody can - without
hypocrisy.

http://darwin.indymedia.org/

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And Kimci (and others) suggest you lose the bureaucratese. It is the
language of the State.


love and solidarity to ALL - mick

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--- Kimci <kimcosmos at myrealbox.com> wrote:

> Thank you Gaz.
> We would like you to block the dissafiliation proposal because time
> is needed to mount a proper defence of ourself instead of the show
> trial we are currently facing. I suggest blocking it for 3 months
> to allow time for groups to properly consider the issues. Many new
> accusations have been made and we have to carefully rebut them. We
> still want Oceania to answer for its actions but we have never set
> them a deadline. We gave CAT 18 months and we haven't acted on
> that.
> 
> I also suggest you block because silence is not consensus. I
> suggest that there be a new cities list called citiesxb.inc without
> Brisbane on it. That way if groups really don't want BIMC on their
> list they have to take action to remove it. This is better proof of
> consensus.
> 
> It does set a big precedent. The nepotism from the big IMCs is
> scary and must be slowed. In particular, tactics like GDMs of
> nominating a person I am in dispute with [Clara] to be a process
> list facilitator with himself. Process facilitators are approved by
> the existing process facilitators after 5 days of no objections by
> themselves. Liaisons objections can be ignored. I assume the same
> thing occurs on the Oceania list. Kind of concensus centralism. It
> does entrench the power of the older and bigger groups a lot. Time
> is needed for a proper hearing.
> 
> Mine and Shauns replies to the proposal to ban me from the Oceania
> list were blocked before the ban came into force. I have been
> unsubscribed from the process list and Clara is refusing my posts
> because she 'doesn't believe' our liaison has changed [the old one
> left for Canberra]. My sub request to the communication list hasn't
> come through etc. We face this sort of behaviour a lot.
> 
> So yes please send your block immediately as individuals and a
> group. Don't wait until your sub clears. Send it twice.
> 
> In solidarity [not unity]
> Kim Cosmos
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: imc-darwin-bounces at lists.indymedia.org [mailto:imc-darwin-
> > bounces at lists.indymedia.org] On Behalf Of Gary Meyerhoff
> > Sent: Monday, 15 November 2004 9:43 PM
> > To: imc-darwin at lists.indymedia.org
> > Subject: [imc-darwin] Brisbane Indymedia
> > 
> > Hello Darwin Indy collective
> > 
> > I believe that we should block the disaffiliation of
> > Brisbane Indymedia.
> > 
> > First of all... who is our liaison on the global
> > indymedia list... I can't remember us discussing this
> > at a meeting, we may have, but I can't remember who we
> > nominated.
> > 
> > The reason I ask that is because it is our liaison on
> > the global imc process list (that I have just joined)
> > is the person who would put forward a block if we as a
> > collective decided to do that.
> > 
> > I am extremely concerned that this sets a precedent
> > for smaller indymedia sites to be shut down.
> > 
> > We could well be next on their list.
> > 
> > Gaz
> > 
> > =====
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> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> > Monday 05th to Sunday 11th September 2005 - Darwin, Australia
> > 
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> > 
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> > <http://darwin.indymedia.org>

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