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[14:05] <wowi> hoepfully he'll come too 

[14:05] <wowi> i'll see if i can call him..

[14:05] * wowi wanders off

[14:05] <Vic> great... hope this meeting goes well

[14:05] <wowi> me too 

[14:06] <wowi> we have a whole heap of burma people driving to net connection to join us

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[14:07] <Vic> fantastic... are they in india?

[14:07] <Vic> welcome anivar

[14:07] <wowi> :)

[14:07] <Vic> glad you could make it

[14:07] <anivar> hi vic

[14:07] <wowi> hullo anivar

[14:07] <anivar> hai wowi

[14:08] <pabs> hoi anivar 

[14:09] <Vic> hi pabs

[14:09] <anivar> vic i got an invitation from CED banglure for there Documentation centre's meeting

[14:09] <anivar> i gave u'r Id to them

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[14:10] <Vic> yes i just heard about it

[14:10] *** mode/#oceania [+o shekhar] by pabs

[14:10] <anivar> hai shekhar

[14:10] <Vic> i am actually in bangalore now, for two weeks

[14:10] *** mode/#oceania [+o anivar] by pabs

[14:10] <shekhar> hello all. vickram just called me into this channel.

[14:10] <Vic> i thought the ced meeting is in Mumbai in december?

[14:10] <anivar> It is on Dec 10-14

[14:10] <anivar> banglore

[14:10] <Vic> oh darn

[14:11] <anivar> oneworld, indiatogether counter current etc r participating in it

[14:11] <Vic> ok... shekar is here

[14:11] <shekhar> for the ced meeting please join http://lists.crit.org.in/mailman/listinfo/dcm

[14:11] <shekhar> and see http://crit.org.in/networks/dcm

[14:12] <Vic> ty

[14:12] <anivar> k

[14:13] <wowi> great.. andy gdm and shane are joining in soon

[14:13] <Vic> anivar r u here in bangalore?

[14:14] <anivar> No in kerala now

[14:14] <wowi> imc india peeps, andy will probably be going tto asia source

[14:14] <Vic> ok

[14:14] <Vic> unfortunately i am fm mumbai

[14:14] <anivar> i am also participating.

[14:14] <Vic> but if he plans coming thru mumbai wd love to meet

[14:14] * halo back

[14:14] <wowi> great :)

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[14:15] <wowi> salut gdm :)

[14:15] <ngaur> hi gdm

[14:15] <gdm> salut!

[14:16] <gdm> just gonna grab food,

[14:16] <gdm> brb

[14:17] <anivar> when we start?

[14:17] <Vic> good point ;)

[14:17] <pabs> shall we wait for the burma people?

[14:17] <wowi> soon

[14:17] <wowi> we're still waiting for a truckload of burma imc peeps

[14:17] <wowi> and some filipinos too

[14:17] <Vic> we need to leave here in abt half an hour

[14:17] <wowi> ok.

[14:17] <Vic> sorry

[14:18] <wowi> well we can start talking now

[14:18] <Vic> yes

[14:18] <anivar> ok

[14:18] <pabs> agenda: http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/AsiaPacificSolidarityMeeting1

[14:18] <wowi> there are things i've already discussed with qc, manila, and burma

[14:18] <Vic> my comp is havbing probs running the browser... makes life v difficult

[14:18] <wowi> ok

[14:18] <Vic> but i will check it soon

[14:19] <wowi> ok

[14:19] <halo> so.. who wants to facilitate?

[14:19] <wowi> what we've been discussing in oceania

[14:19] <wowi> (do we need it?)

[14:19] <wowi> what we've been discussing in oceania is solidarity with asia pacifica imcs..

[14:19] <wowi> and qc has suggested an informal network..

[14:20] <halo> well.. no harm in having one ;)

[14:20] <wowi> for the asia pacific

[14:20] <wowi> there are to basic ideas for starters

[14:20] <wowi> that have been discussed..

[14:20] <Vic> ok... pt 1... to talk from india perspective

[14:20] <wowi> yup?

[14:21] <Vic> we do not have a formal network of any kind rt now

[14:21] <wowi> in india

[14:21] <Vic> v few local participants

[14:21] <wowi> is there only one imc?

[14:21] <wowi> yes..

[14:21] <anivar> yes

[14:21] <Vic> mostly fm us and europe

[14:21] <Vic> there was a mumbai imc but it died

[14:21] <wowi> i guess the idea of such a network would be to consolidate efforts of already acitve imc people

[14:21] <wowi> yes..

[14:22] <Vic> i really like the idea of an informal network... but it needs loads of good people to make it work

[14:22] <Vic> we have many contributors... for writing

[14:22] <wowi> the other idea of such a network would be so that expats/exiles and the diasporic asian community could also help... so that there is less work for local imcistas

[14:22] <Vic> and many visitors to india

[14:22] <wowi> Vic: i agree

[14:22] <wowi> it's still early days..

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[14:23] <wowi> there are 2 ideas to build it though..

[14:23] <wowi> 1. a list.. for interested people.. to skill share/ work collaboratively/ mutual aid projects
[14:23] <Vic> understood... but my experience is that the expats are mostly students who hv other commitments

[14:23] <wowi> 2. a solidarity call out.. to get more people involved

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[14:23] <wowi> Vic: yes.. we all do.. but there are surely some people.. it is worth a try

[14:24] <Vic> 2 is v critical for us

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[14:24] <wowi> yes definitely

[14:24] <wowi> hi alext !

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[14:24] <Vic> i know... emotionally i am with you but practically it has been a huge repsonsibility and not much help that i can depend on

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[14:25] <alex> hi wowi!

[14:25] <wowi> Vic: i understand

[14:25] <shekhar> Vic: indymedia mumbai and india both died because they need a community to sustain them and the people involved are young and move on quickly...

[14:25] <alex> hi everyone! made a mistaske typing my own name hehehe

[14:25] <wowi> my hope was that more people would get involevd to alleviate the load

[14:25] <wowi> especially people in oceania who have good and regular net access

[14:25] <Vic> so i wd welcome more peep getting involved ,... in india and out

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[14:25] <wowi> we have a huge asian community in australia for example

[14:26] <wowi> Vic: exactly

[14:26] <wowi> here was the idea http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/AsiaPacificSolidarityCall

[14:26] <Vic> yes if that happens i for one will be able to do more myself

[14:26] <wowi> to be written/ signed by a number of imcs
[14:27] <Vic> right

[14:27] <Vic> do we hv a draft on wiki?

[14:27] <wowi> Vic: what do you think of the idea of a list? so we can continue working on this project together.. that way people can do as much or as little as part of an informal collective committed to an asia-pacific project

[14:27] <wowi> Vic: i can write one and put one up this week if you like

[14:27] <Vic> we hv a list but again not much action on it

[14:27] <Vic> i need help running the list too :-)


[14:28] <Vic> sorry to whinge

[14:28] <wowi> NO!

[14:28] <wowi> :)

[14:28] <wowi> what kind of help?
[14:29] <Vic> housekeeping... call to action

[14:29] <wowi> kamusta alex :) (introduction pls)

[14:29] <gdm> ping

[14:29] <wowi> ok

[14:29] <pabs> perhaps anivar can help with your list Vic ?

[14:29] <Vic> housekeeping is not so bad... tho a lot of spam... but to stir things up we need more participation

[14:29] <anivar> ok

[14:29] <wowi> Vic: as always

[14:29] <anivar> i can

[14:29] <wowi> :)

[14:30] <Vic> well when your exams get over you are going to get involved, anivar

[14:30] <anivar> i anm fre from Dec 

[14:30] <anivar> free

[14:30] <Vic> no pt getting haunted by the Guilt God

[14:30] <wowi> :))

[14:30] <wowi> (me likes that.. i will use it)

[14:31] * wowi likes that.. i will use it)

[14:31] <Vic> say tks to Douglas Adams

[14:31] <wowi> or thank google

[14:31] <halo> :)

[14:31] <anivar> :-)

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[14:32] <Vic> ok... everyone... does anyone think a formal network is a practical idea?

[14:33] <Vic> welcome burma

[14:33] <wowi> ok.. so what do you think about the formation of an Asia-Pacific list.. so that we can collaborate on solidarirty projects and the solidarity call out?.. it will also be usefull for co-ordinating mutual aid appeals.. like the one we're working on atm.. (an add and article in scoop magazine about imc-burma)

[14:33] <wowi> YAY!

[14:33] <wowi> welcome everyone!

[14:33] <wowi> mingala ba :)

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[14:33] <wowi> :(\

[14:33] <Vic> ooops

[14:33] <wowi> hehe

[14:33] <wowi> they'll be back.. 

[14:33] <Vic> where are they do you know wowi?

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[14:33] <halo> i would be keen to contribute to a formal network, and try to get people in new zealand involved

[14:34] <wowi> cool :)

[14:34] <halo> (we have a large migrant population here too)

[14:34] <Vic> cool... but when we say formal what is impied?

[14:34] <Vic> implied

[14:34] <wowi> south west thailand.. 

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[14:34] <wowi> i think

[14:34] <wowi> mae sot?

[14:34] <Vic> ah ok... so safe for the moment

[14:34] <wowi> mae sot..

[14:34] <wowi> yes

[14:35] <wowi> they do everything in thailand.. on the burmese border

[14:35] <wowi> i think informal will be better..

[14:35] <Vic> i know... the ind border is not such a good place anymore

[14:35] <wowi> that way people dont feel pushed to do what they cant

[14:35] <halo> well.. a network of some sort :)

[14:35] <wowi> :)

[14:35] <Vic> esp for such people that is exactly the pt
[14:28] <wowi> NO!

[14:28] <wowi> :)

[14:28] <wowi> what kind of help?

[14:29] <Vic> housekeeping... call to action

[14:29] <wowi> kamusta alex :) (introduction pls)

[14:29] <gdm> ping

[14:29] <wowi> ok

[14:29] <pabs> perhaps anivar can help with your list Vic ?

[14:29] <Vic> housekeeping is not so bad... tho a lot of spam... but to stir things up we need more participation

[14:29] <anivar> ok

[14:29] <wowi> Vic: as always

[14:29] <anivar> i can

[14:29] <wowi> :)

[14:30] <Vic> well when your exams get over you are going to get involved, anivar

[14:30] <anivar> i anm fre from Dec 

[14:30] <anivar> free

[14:30] <Vic> no pt getting haunted by the Guilt God

[14:30] <wowi> :))

[14:30] <wowi> (me likes that.. i will use it)

[14:31] * wowi likes that.. i will use it)

[14:31] <Vic> say tks to Douglas Adams

[14:31] <wowi> or thank google

[14:31] <halo> :)

[14:31] <anivar> :-)

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[14:32] <Vic> ok... everyone... does anyone think a formal network is a practical idea?

[14:33] <Vic> welcome burma

[14:33] <wowi> ok.. so what do you think about the formation of an Asia-Pacific list.. so that we can collaborate on solidarirty projects and the solidarity call out?.. it will also be usefull for co-ordinating mutual aid appeals.. like the one we're working on atm.. (an add and article in scoop magazine about imc-burma)

[14:33] <wowi> YAY!

[14:33] <wowi> welcome everyone!

[14:33] <wowi> mingala ba :)

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[14:33] <wowi> :(\

[14:33] <Vic> ooops

[14:33] <wowi> hehe

[14:33] <wowi> they'll be back.. 

[14:33] <Vic> where are they do you know wowi?

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[14:33] <halo> i would be keen to contribute to a formal network, and try to get people in new zealand involved

[14:34] <wowi> cool :)

[14:34] <halo> (we have a large migrant population here too)

[14:34] <Vic> cool... but when we say formal what is impied?

[14:34] <Vic> implied

[14:34] <wowi> south west thailand.. 

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[14:34] <wowi> i think

[14:34] <wowi> mae sot?

[14:34] <Vic> ah ok... so safe for the moment

[14:34] <wowi> mae sot..

[14:34] <wowi> yes

[14:35] <wowi> they do everything in thailand.. on the burmese border

[14:35] <wowi> i think informal will be better..

[14:35] <Vic> i know... the ind border is not such a good place anymore

[14:35] <wowi> that way people dont feel pushed to do what they cant

[14:35] <halo> well.. a network of some sort :)

[14:35] <wowi> :)

[14:35] <Vic> esp for such people that is exactly the pt

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[14:35] <Vic> the visibility is itself not such a good thing

[14:36] <wowi> yes.. formality will come when needed if needed 

[14:36] <halo> maybe an email list, a wiki page, regular meetings..?

[14:36] <wowi> yes.. all that

[14:36] <Vic> rt... so the question is... formal or informal

[14:36] <wowi> the email list is the most imp 

[14:36] <Vic> def a list... my vote yes

[14:36] <wowi> the rest can be done fromt here.

[14:36] <Vic> yes

[14:36] <wowi> great :)

[14:36] <halo> :)

[14:36] <anivar> :-)

[14:36] <wowi> i think formality is not necessary till it has developed

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[14:37] <halo> heya burma_crew!

[14:37] <wowi> till imcs throughout the asia pacific have become more stable and prolific

[14:37] <Vic> anyway formality is not the imc way

[14:37] <wowi> exactly :)

[14:37] * wowi waves at burma_crew !!

[14:37] <wowi> mingala ba!!

[14:37] <Vic> but we need to get more people in india see value in what imc is

[14:37] <wowi> yes.. definitely

[14:37] <ngaur> would it be a goodthing to try to have more acia-pacific stuff happen within oceania lists before splitting it off to it's own lists?

[14:38] <Vic> am sure much similar in other parts of asia

[14:38] <ngaur> might help tie the two together

[14:38] <wowi> and more indian people outside india to get involved.. doing support etc

[14:38] <anivar> some of my friends in fsug's are interested to get involved with india imc

[14:38] <Vic> well, we have a lot of people living outside india, that's true ;-)

[14:38] <wowi> ngaur: i think it's important this project is autonomous of oceania

[14:38] <halo> i know that a socialist group here in nz has recently done a lot of work in india and may have some good contacts there

[14:38] <wowi> the suggestion came from qc at the oceania conf for that reason.. 

[14:39] <wowi> asian pacific imcs have diff needs and contexts to the majority of oceania imcs.

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[14:39] <wowi> hoi s

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[14:39] <Vic> at some point everyone needs an identity... but groupthink is a good cocoon for young movements

[14:39] <wowi> yes

[14:39] <anivar> exactly

[14:39] <wowi> the point is to start something

[14:39] <wowi> :)

[14:39] <Vic> rt

[14:39] <wowi> it will evolve

[14:40] <s> yo err. hello all :)
[14:34] <Vic> implied

[14:34] <wowi> south west thailand.. 

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[14:34] <wowi> i think

[14:34] <wowi> mae sot?

[14:34] <Vic> ah ok... so safe for the moment

[14:34] <wowi> mae sot..

[14:34] <wowi> yes

[14:35] <wowi> they do everything in thailand.. on the burmese border

[14:35] <wowi> i think informal will be better..

[14:35] <Vic> i know... the ind border is not such a good place anymore

[14:35] <wowi> that way people dont feel pushed to do what they cant

[14:35] <halo> well.. a network of some sort :)

[14:35] <wowi> :)

[14:35] <Vic> esp for such people that is exactly the pt

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[14:35] <Vic> the visibility is itself not such a good thing

[14:36] <wowi> yes.. formality will come when needed if needed 

[14:36] <halo> maybe an email list, a wiki page, regular meetings..?

[14:36] <wowi> yes.. all that

[14:36] <Vic> rt... so the question is... formal or informal

[14:36] <wowi> the email list is the most imp 

[14:36] <Vic> def a list... my vote yes

[14:36] <wowi> the rest can be done fromt here.

[14:36] <Vic> yes

[14:36] <wowi> great :)

[14:36] <halo> :)

[14:36] <anivar> :-)

[14:36] <wowi> i think formality is not necessary till it has developed

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[14:37] <halo> heya burma_crew!

[14:37] <wowi> till imcs throughout the asia pacific have become more stable and prolific

[14:37] <Vic> anyway formality is not the imc way

[14:37] <wowi> exactly :)

[14:37] * wowi waves at burma_crew !!

[14:37] <wowi> mingala ba!!

[14:37] <Vic> but we need to get more people in india see value in what imc is

[14:37] <wowi> yes.. definitely

[14:37] <ngaur> would it be a goodthing to try to have more acia-pacific stuff happen within oceania lists before splitting it off to it's own lists?

[14:38] <Vic> am sure much similar in other parts of asia

[14:38] <ngaur> might help tie the two together

[14:38] <wowi> and more indian people outside india to get involved.. doing support etc

[14:38] <anivar> some of my friends in fsug's are interested to get involved with india imc

[14:38] <Vic> well, we have a lot of people living outside india, that's true ;-)

[14:38] <wowi> ngaur: i think it's important this project is autonomous of oceania

[14:38] <halo> i know that a socialist group here in nz has recently done a lot of work in india and may have some good contacts there

[14:38] <wowi> the suggestion came from qc at the oceania conf for that reason.. 

[14:39] <wowi> asian pacific imcs have diff needs and contexts to the majority of oceania imcs.

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[14:39] <wowi> hoi s

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[14:39] <Vic> at some point everyone needs an identity... but groupthink is a good cocoon for young movements

[14:39] <wowi> yes

[14:39] <anivar> exactly

[14:39] <wowi> the point is to start something

[14:39] <wowi> :)

[14:39] <Vic> rt

[14:39] <wowi> it will evolve

[14:40] <s> yo err. hello all :)

[14:40] <wowi> hey s man

[14:40] <wowi> shall we do brief intros? 

[14:40] <Vic> my vote... a list and a wiki

[14:40] <wowi> done and done

[14:40] <wowi> :)

[14:40] <halo> good idea wowi

[14:40] <Vic> me... india imc

[14:40] <wowi> if others agree

[14:40] <Vic> living in mumbai

[14:41] <wowi> perth imc /oceania imc / global imc.. maybe joining burma crew next yr

[14:41] * halo is in new zealand/aotearoa.. aoteroa imc volunteer  :)

[14:41] <anivar> me from india living in kerala

[14:41] * pabs is perthimc geek

[14:41] <s> heya, i'm an indykid from canada livin in australia for the moment... not especially active in any local atm.

[14:41] <wowi> perth is in australia

[14:42] * ngaur is from new zealand, but now lives in tasmania, australia

[14:42] <arm_da_spirit> me, from indonesia, living n jakarta

[14:42] <Vic> sorry we hv to go now... shekhar and myself... but look fwd to getting news of the wiki... and the list... can help getting a list going on riseup if that is the consensus

[14:42] <wowi> great

[14:42] <halo> sounds great!

[14:43] <wowi> we'll talk soon.. thanks for joining us

[14:43] <halo> will you put details on the wiki?

[14:43] <wowi> can you query me your email Vic ?

[14:43] <shekhar> please keep me cc-ed to any indymedia correspondence on shekhar at crit.org.in

[14:43] <s> seeya vic.

[14:43] <wowi> sure

[14:43] <anivar> seeya vic

[14:43] <wowi> bye guys

[14:43] <Vic> and of course imc already does wiki... we just need to get the base address from where this will spawn

[14:43] <Vic> bye guys

[14:43] <anivar> hop we can meet later

[14:43] <wowi> :)

[14:43] <Vic> or whatever

[14:43] <halo> bye :)

[14:43] <arm_da_spirit> bye

[14:43] <wowi> pga asia!

[14:43] <Vic> ;-)

[14:43] <Vic> yea

[14:43] <wowi> we'll talk onlist

[14:43] <wowi> ;)

[14:43] <wowi> bye

[14:44] <Vic> yes... cya
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[14:44] <Vic> ty

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[14:44] <wowi> hi aubrey

[14:45] <wowi> we were just doing intros

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[14:45] <wowi> is tonyo joining us too?

[14:45] <aubrey> hi there, so what did i miss?

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[14:45] <aubrey> i just don't know, havent talked to him

[14:45] <wowi> ok to recap

[14:46] <wowi> a couple of imc india people have supported the creation of an asia-pacific list and wiki

[14:47] <wowi> where i will post the draft of a solidarity call out letter to be worked on collaboratively, signed andd sent

[14:47] <wowi> for solidarity and support to expats/exiles and the diasporic asian communities

[14:47] <wowi> the idea is more indy involvement and support even from those who aren't local..

[14:48] <wowi> so.. how does qc feel about a list and a wiki?

[14:48] <wowi> and for that matter.. burma and jakarta

[14:49] <alex> asia-pacific list? great starting point, i think.

[14:49] <wowi> :)

[14:49] <wowi> cool

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[14:49] <halo> heya ferret! :)

[14:49] <wowi> arm_da_spirit: what do you think?

[14:49] <ferret> hi all

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[14:50] <arm_da_spirit> i agree with the wiki n a list

[14:50] * wowi holds onto burma_crew incase they fall out again

[14:50] <wowi> arm_da_spirit: great

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[14:50] <wowi> i figure people can work from there with ideas

[14:50] <halo> you let go wowi!

[14:50] <wowi> and projects

[14:50] <halo> :(

[14:50] <wowi> oops!!

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[14:51] <halo> alex:  where are you?

[14:51] <wowi> i had to type.. i'll use my toes

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[14:51] <alex> still here

[14:51] <wowi> some ideas.. from oceania..  http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcOceaniaAsia-PacificSolidarity

[14:51] <wowi> halo: qc

[14:51] <halo> ah :)

[14:52] <wowi> ok.. the other problem is.. will the list fcn in english?

[14:52] <wowi> or shall there be a translations policy..

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[14:52] <wowi> oh no!

[14:52] <wowi> i need stronger toes..

[14:52] <wowi> i'll send them the logs...

[14:52] <alex> a translation policy may be necessary

[14:52] <wowi> yes..

[14:53] <anivar> yaa we need it

[14:53] <wowi> that can be determined further on the list i think

[14:53] <wowi> anivar: what language?

[14:53] <anivar> my language is malayalam one among 18 major languages in india

[14:54] <wowi> oh dear :(

[14:54] <wowi> this may be hard..

[14:54] <anivar> :-)

[14:54] <arm_da_spirit> :0

[14:54] <wowi> hihi

[14:54] <halo> :)

[14:54] <anivar> just a joke

[14:55] <ngaur> I think we should look more at languages that span geography

[14:55] <wowi> shall we start the list in english + 1 translation, and work out how to tackle language divides.. ?

[14:55] <wowi> ngaur: ?

[14:55] <pabs> ngaur:  agreed

[14:55] <halo> perhaps we could cater for those who are on the list at first..?

[14:55] <wowi> sure

[14:55] <alex> good idea, halo

[14:55] <anivar> fine

[14:55] <halo> surely there will be overlaps

[14:55] <wowi> hrm..

[14:55] <wowi> atm.. no

[14:55] <wowi> but hopefully soon :)

[14:56] <halo> (i mean, not all individuals on the list will need separate translations..)

[14:56] <wowi> sure
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[15:12] *** Topic is: ASIA PACIFIC SOLIDARITY MEETING http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/AsiaPacificSolidarityMeeting1 

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[15:12] *** @wowi arm_da_spirit @guest720 @ferret @aubrey @s|afk @alex @gdm @anivar @ngaur @pabs @stacy-afk @halo @ChanServ @shayne 

[15:12] *** Channel created on Sat Oct  9 04:34:02 2004

[15:12] <wowi> hi jeri :)

[15:12] <arm_da_spirit> arrgh 

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[15:12] <wowi> i know that feeling ;)

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[15:13] <wowi> <ngaur>Could we have some more info on the situation with various IMCs

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[15:13] <ngaur> net connection is hard today it seems

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[15:13] <wowi> no takers?

[15:13] <burma_crew1> sorry - lots of problems today

[15:13] <wowi> :) np

[15:14] <wowi> i'll email you any relevant infp

[15:14] <wowi> info

[15:14] <ngaur> burma_crew: how's things going in burma?

[15:14] <ngaur> where are you up to

[15:14] <arm_da_spirit> hi hi

[15:14] <wowi> and put the logs on the wiki
[15:15] <burma_crew1> interestting because of release of political prioisoers

[15:15] <wowi> burma_crew1: hopefully we can get this camera and laptop to you soon..

[15:16] <wowi> how do you feel about an asia-pacific list and wiki? to start an informal network

[15:16] <burma_crew1> yes its good news

[15:16] <wowi> great :)

[15:16] <burma_crew1> where are you up to in the meeting?

[15:17] <wowi> well. we've agreed on a list and a wiki
[15:15] <burma_crew1> interestting because of release of political prioisoers

[15:15] <wowi> burma_crew1: hopefully we can get this camera and laptop to you soon..

[15:16] <wowi> how do you feel about an asia-pacific list and wiki? to start an informal network

[15:16] <burma_crew1> yes its good news

[15:16] <wowi> great :)

[15:16] <burma_crew1> where are you up to in the meeting?

[15:17] <wowi> well. we've agreed on a list and a wiki

[15:17] <wowi> we can talk about solidarity.. and solving problems of security and sustainability

[15:17] <wowi> equips

[15:17] <wowi> encrypted lists

[15:18] <wowi> etc

[15:18] <wowi> or.. we can talk about plans to get to pga

[15:18] <burma_crew1> what do you think about exchanges between activists from asia pacific imcs

[15:18] <wowi> ?

[15:19] <wowi> tell us more :)

[15:19] <halo> that would be exciting!  :)

[15:19] <wowi> yes

[15:19] <burma_crew1> well if we can get money we can swap members

[15:19] <wowi> hrm.. who did you have in mind for a swap?

[15:19] <burma_crew1> so someone form say the phillippines could come here for a few months
[15:12] <wowi> i know that feeling ;)

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[15:13] <wowi> <ngaur>Could we have some more info on the situation with various IMCs

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[15:13] <ngaur> net connection is hard today it seems

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[15:13] <wowi> no takers?

[15:13] <burma_crew1> sorry - lots of problems today

[15:13] <wowi> :) np

[15:14] <wowi> i'll email you any relevant infp

[15:14] <wowi> info

[15:14] <ngaur> burma_crew: how's things going in burma?

[15:14] <ngaur> where are you up to

[15:14] <arm_da_spirit> hi hi

[15:14] <wowi> and put the logs on the wiki

[15:15] <burma_crew1> interestting because of release of political prioisoers

[15:15] <wowi> burma_crew1: hopefully we can get this camera and laptop to you soon..

[15:16] <wowi> how do you feel about an asia-pacific list and wiki? to start an informal network

[15:16] <burma_crew1> yes its good news

[15:16] <wowi> great :)

[15:16] <burma_crew1> where are you up to in the meeting?

[15:17] <wowi> well. we've agreed on a list and a wiki

[15:17] <wowi> we can talk about solidarity.. and solving problems of security and sustainability

[15:17] <wowi> equips

[15:17] <wowi> encrypted lists

[15:18] <wowi> etc

[15:18] <wowi> or.. we can talk about plans to get to pga

[15:18] <burma_crew1> what do you think about exchanges between activists from asia pacific imcs

[15:18] <wowi> ?

[15:19] <wowi> tell us more :)

[15:19] <halo> that would be exciting!  :)

[15:19] <wowi> yes

[15:19] <burma_crew1> well if we can get money we can swap members

[15:19] <wowi> hrm.. who did you have in mind for a swap?

[15:19] <burma_crew1> so someone form say the phillippines could come here for a few months

[15:20] <burma_crew1> and someone from here can go there

[15:22] <burma_crew1> and work

[15:22] <aubrey> owwww... then?

[15:22] <wowi> but the money is an issue... there is little of it and bigger needs..

[15:22] <wowi> with ngos?

[15:22] <aubrey> i agree. money will always be an issue =)

[15:22] <ngaur> it's hard to get a few months clear to dedicate to work on an IMC in your own area

[15:22] <arm_da_spirit> interesting..

[15:22] <wowi> burma_crew1: what is the aim/reason for a swap?

[15:22] <aubrey> although exchange of people has been a trend to many orgs here in the philippines

[15:22] <burma_crew1> good for skill sharing and solidarity 

[15:22] <burma_crew1> we can have a more direct link

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[15:22] <burma_crew1> between people in the region

[15:22] <wowi> perhaps it would be wise to build online stuff first?

[15:22] <wowi> then try for that.. 

[15:22] <aubrey> if we are serious in the exchange thing, we could make a formal paper or policy on that

[15:22] <wowi> how would you propose it be funded?

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[15:22] <burma_crew1> we could find a donor organisation maybe

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[15:23] <wowi> sure..

[15:23] <aubrey> the usual is the host funds the guest/intern

[15:23] <halo> heya anivar

[15:23] <burma_crew1> like the global souoth fund

[15:23] <wowi> would asia-pacific imcs not prefer that money be spent on equipment/spaces? i guess both can be done

[15:24] <burma_crew1> between here and philippines and indonesia it could be done cheaply

[15:24] <wowi> perhaps then that could be up to the individual planning to do the exchange to find funding.. they could ofcourse apply to imc-finance/oceania-fiance and ask for support... but i disagree that such exchanges be made into formal policy.

[15:25] <ngaur> I suspect it's easier to get NGO funding to attend a conference or something, and then spend a bit longer in the place or en-route to work with other IMCs

[15:25] <aubrey> i think regional imcs has allied orgs that could help accommodate the intern

[15:25] <wowi> i would think it would be a better use of money for people to be funded for events

[15:27] <wowi> such as asia source

[15:27] <wowi> then they could stay on

[15:27] <wowi> such an event would ensure skill sharing and networking

[15:27] <wowi> aubrey: ?

[15:27] <halo> back in a minute..

[15:29] <wowi> ngaur: i agree.. but again that would be up to the organising of the individual

[15:29] <aubrey> if there would be anough time to do that

[15:29] <ngaur> How many of the groups represented here are likely to get to the PGA meet in nepal?

[15:29] <wowi> it doesn't seem like a project that can sustainably be organised regularly by imc

[15:29] <wowi> burma if funding can be found.

[15:29] <aubrey> money will decide on our part

[15:29] <wowi> myself

[15:29] <wowi> aubrey: doens't qc have some funding from bulatlat et al?

[15:29] <ngaur> If there was a meet more central to these groups, would people be able to get there?

[15:29] <aubrey> well, we have been using the resources of bulatlat since alex and i write for it

[15:29] <wowi> central.. ?

[15:30] <wowi> oh ok..

[15:30] <ngaur> geographical centre around thailand or malaysia

[15:30] <ngaur> possibly close to the PGA in time

[15:30] <wowi> nepal is pretty close

[15:30] <wowi> and nicely close to india

[15:30] <burma_crew1> it is very expensive for us to leave thailand

[15:30] <burma_crew1> because we don't have documentws

[15:30] <wowi> yes. $1000

[15:30] <wowi> Au$100?

[15:30] <wowi> Au$1000?

[15:30] <burma_crew1> yes

[15:30] <ngaur> what's a return flight from bangkok to calcutta worth?

[15:30] <ngaur> or is it about visa costs

[15:30] <wowi> have you proposed to imc-finance and the global south fund?

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[15:30] <wowi> ngaur: visa

[15:30] <wowi> i sent links to both to imc-burma

[15:30] <burma_crew1> 500 australian to calcutta
[15:30] <burma_crew1> we e-mailed the global south fund

[15:31] <wowi> great

[15:31] <burma_crew1> but no reply yet

[15:31] <burma_crew1> they give up to 500us
[15:31] <anivar_> Howmany of u r participatin in asiasource

[15:32] <wowi> andy from sydney

[15:32] <anivar_> Hope we can meet there

[15:32] <wowi> asia source has offers of funding

[15:32] <wowi> for travel

[15:32] <anivar_> yaa

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[15:33] <burma_crew1> we'd like to try and send someone

[15:33] <burma_crew1> if we can get money

[15:33] <wowi> i think that planning to physically meet takes alot of co-ordination and funding and can be hard.. i think the focus should be on sustaining a network via online communication.. and thus getting the infrastructure to do this

[15:33] <aubrey> we'd definitely love to attend all the activities but..

[15:34] <arm_da_spirit> .

[15:35] <arm_da_spirit> build the network 1st

[15:35] <wowi> imc oceania has a small amount of money to give.. but the idea was to give that to supporting asian imcs through much needed equipment..

[15:35] <wowi> and to support as many imcs as possible

[15:35] <wowi> arm_da_spirit: i agree :)

[15:35] <halo> perhaps a regional meet would be something we could plan for in the medium-term..?

[15:35] <wowi> long term.

[15:35] <wowi> i would say

[15:35] <halo> ok

[15:35] <wowi> unless funding can be found

[15:35] <aubrey> that's good =)

[15:35] <halo> then we could all get together and network :)

[15:36] <wowi> we can all work on that ;)

[15:36] <halo> perhaps around another conference too
[15:36] <wowi> next oceania conf isn't till 2006

[15:36] <wowi> in nz :P

[15:36] <burma_crew1> sounds great

[15:36] <wowi> hehe

[15:36] <halo> really?  in nz??

[15:36] <aubrey> =)

[15:36] <wowi> YUP!

[15:36] <halo> oooh goody

[15:36] <wowi> you're organising it

[15:36] <ngaur> when in 2006?

[15:36] <wowi> i'll help :)

[15:37] <wowi> nothing organised..

[15:37] <ngaur> ok
[15:37] * halo wonders where she'll be in 2006

[15:37] <wowi> it was just proposed that next yr is too soon

[15:37] <wowi> ok.

[15:37] <aubrey> well, still have enough time to do that

[15:37] <wowi> burma_crew1: do you use gpg?

[15:37] <wowi> and have you thouhgt of using an encrypted list?

[15:37] <burma_crew1> no

[15:37] <alex> 2006 is a long-enough time to scout for funding :)

[15:37] <ngaur> wowi: could be difficult if a lot of their access is from cafes

[15:37] <halo> although the idea of meeting somewhere more central has its appeals too..

[15:38] <wowi> ah yes.

[15:38] <wowi> well.. when they get the laptop

[15:38] <burma_crew1> yes we want to start using encryption

[15:38] <wowi> great

[15:38] <wowi> with the laptops :)
[15:38] <ngaur> https access to a web mail server that decrypts would be the best bet

[15:39] <burma_crew1> ??

[15:39] <ngaur> burma: you can use https which is an encrypted web connection to connect to a mail server

[15:39] <shayne> 2006?!

[15:39] <ngaur> eg https://server/ type urls
[15:40] <wowi> http://www.tacticaltech.org/asiasource

[15:40] <wowi> for those interested.

[15:40] <aubrey> let me see

[15:42] <wowi> arm_da_spirit, aubrey, anivar_ : you should all apply for global south funding, they are offering US$500 for ea collective

[15:42] <wowi> i will fwd the details to your lists

[15:42] <anivar_> okey

[15:43] <aubrey> we will, we are in need of computers esp if we are in the field

[15:43] <arm_da_spirit> global south, th web?

[15:43] <wowi> i'm not sure..

[15:43] <aubrey> please do so, ill check for it.

[15:43] <wowi> i'll fwd it

[15:43] <aubrey> tnx wowi!

[15:43] <arm_da_spirit> thx

[15:44] <wowi> is there anything you guys wanna talk to eachtother about?
[15:44] <wowi> would you all think that meeting regularly, ie monthly, would be usefull?

[15:45] <alex> wowi: definitely

[15:45] <burma_crew1> monthly is very good

[15:45] <aubrey> ok. just make it a point that we will reach something..

[15:46] <arm_da_spirit> yeah, good

[15:46] <wowi> sofar we've agreed on an asia-pacific discussion/collaboration list, wiki, monthly meetings, and to start work on a solidarity call out

[15:46] <wowi> great :)

[15:46] <aubrey> =)

[15:46] <wowi> do you all want and #asia-pacific room?

[15:46] <halo> :)

[15:46] <aubrey> its good

[15:47] <arm_da_spirit> room in what?

[15:47] <burma_crew1> yes

[15:47] <halo> here in irc

[15:47] <anivar_> dat sounds good

[15:47] <halo> :)

[15:47] <wowi> like #oceania

[15:47] <wowi> but #asia-pacific

[15:47] <alex> sure :)

[15:47] <wowi> cool :) keep it autonomous

[15:47] <wowi> there will always be crossover and collaboration

[15:47] <wowi> but it's nice to have your own space ;)

[15:47] <halo> yup :)

[15:47] <aubrey> would it be rude to know who am i talking to? apologies =) i mean short profile

[15:47] * halo agrees

[15:48] <wowi> so you guys dont have to hear about bimc ;)

[15:48] <wowi> aubrey: who's that in ref too?

[15:48] <aubrey> im aubrey of imc-qc philippines..
[15:48] <wowi> ah, yes you missed intros :)

[15:48] <aubrey> yup

[15:49] <halo> i'm rosie from aotearoa/new zealand imc

[15:49] <wowi> perth imc, oceania imc, global imc.. in perth.au and in philippines in dec and hopefully working in thailand with burma crew next year

[15:49] <halo> (south pacific)

[15:49] <burma_crew1> we're hein min, david, khin maung thet, aung marm oo, bone kyaw, dave from imc burma

[15:49] * wowi waves 

[15:49] <wowi> so many of ya :)

[15:49] * halo waves too

[15:49] <arm_da_spirit> yerry, jakarta

[15:49] * pabs and shayne are also from perth
[15:50] * ferret is a guest from sydney

[15:50] <aubrey> hi all! thanks for responding to my request. im sori too. anyway..

[15:50] <wowi> no no dont be :)

[15:51] <wowi> so.. oceania is in the process of organising an appeal in scoop magazine for laptops and cameras for asia-pacific imcs
[15:51] <wowi> what do you guys all need apart from that stuff?

[15:52] <burma_crew1> now funding is the most important for us for an office space and internet link

[15:52] <burma_crew1> and for pga trave

[15:52] <aubrey> video cam?

[15:52] <ngaur> aubrey: I'm originally from New Zealand, now in Australia.  I mostly do tech stuff

[15:53] <wowi> apart from $$

[15:53] <wowi> as we are limited ourselve

[15:53] <wowi> perth doesn't even have a digi cam..

[15:53] <wowi> but we can borrow so we're ok

[15:53] <aubrey> wow, thanks ngaur. now i know whom to look for for tech probs =)

[15:54] <halo> heheh

[15:54] <ngaur> pictures are good, but the main thing is writing

[15:54] <arm_da_spirit> jakarta, need a space since we want to make special

[15:54] <arm_da_spirit> report about art festiva

[15:54] <halo> and having a solid collective :)

[15:54] <ngaur> aubrey: up to a point.  I've got a fair bit going already

[15:54] <wowi> i'd like to see the funding be done collaboratively with imc-finance.. oceania cant doit on our own.. and we should hit up american and european imcs ;)

[15:54] <ngaur> but there's a few techies around here.  #oceania is agood placeto look

[15:55] <wowi> :)

[15:55] * wowi pokes pabs and shayne 

[15:55] <wowi> and finn when he's around

[15:55] <burma_crew1> yeah thanks a lot for all your tech help people

[15:55] <halo> he'll be around in a month or so i think

[15:55] <wowi> usefull aren't they :)

[15:55] <pabs> :) lots more tech people in #tech btw

[15:55] <ngaur> burma_crew: we should have a bit of a talk about language/font stuff

[15:55] <wowi> heheh

[15:56] <wowi> yeh!

[15:56] <burma_crew1> yeah that would be great

[15:56] <wowi> brb: phone

[15:57] <ferret> pabs: we dont know the pple in #tech....

[15:57] <burma_crew1> what's brb phone?

[15:57] <ngaur> brb = be right back

[15:57] <burma_crew1> ha ha

[15:57] <ferret> on telephone

[15:58] <burma_crew1> what's btw?

[15:58] <ngaur> by the way

[15:58] <aubrey> by the way

[15:58] <burma_crew1> thanks

[15:58] <halo> or between

[15:58] <halo> in some cases.. 
[15:58] <halo> (just to be confusing..)

[15:59] <burma_crew1> when's the interview for scoop?

[15:59] <ngaur> I left it with wowi for a bit.  not sure if whe's talked with other scoop people yet

[16:00] <ngaur> *she's

[16:00] <ngaur> Basically scoop has agreed to the idea of running a page on scoop about it linking to more info on an indymedia site

[16:00] <ngaur> and we'd run ads linking to the page on our site

[16:01] <ngaur> wowi knows someone with some graphic design skills

[16:01] <burma_crew1> it's great if we can do

[16:01] <aubrey> how many cams and laptops in target to get from that nag?

[16:01] <aubrey> i mean mag..

[16:01] <ngaur> there's a bit of work to do on working out the text, partly involving talking to scoop editorial people

[16:01] <ngaur> which I'm not

[16:01] <ngaur> aubrey: no idea really, but the idea has appeal.

[16:02] <ngaur> I've heard of an appeal along these lines in the UK which was hugely successful, but it's very hard to predict

[16:02] <ngaur> There's more than just scoop that can run ads.

[16:03] <ngaur> It's worth thinking who else might be asked to be involved

[16:03] <ngaur> very likely there's a few activists around who run radio shows and the like

[16:03] <ngaur> plus the web of course

[16:03] <ngaur> scoop's a purely web based thing.  mag isn't really the right description

[16:04] <ngaur> http://www.scoop.co.nz/

[16:04] <ngaur> it gets an audience over 100,000 pages served per day

[16:04] <burma_crew1> great

[16:05] <ngaur> Will probably get mostly older equipment from people who have upgraded and don't need their old stuff

[16:06] <ngaur> burma: what sort of technical skills do you guys have?

[16:06] <burma_crew1> that would be a great idea

[16:06] <aubrey> i think they aren't that old and backward..i hope =)

[16:07] <burma_crew1> if we get old ones

[16:07] <ngaur> some will be, hopefully not all

[16:07] <ngaur> My own laptop is a pentium 166.  given the right choices of software, it's quite up to publishing

[16:08] <aubrey> whew! at least you have one =)

[16:08] <burma_crew1> We dn't have any skill, now we are learning, please help us to have skill to run for our process.

[16:09] <ngaur> burma: you'll need to learn a bit about updating software and stuff like that.

[16:09] <ngaur> anyone who runs a computer nees to learn a bit of that sort of thing

[16:10] <ngaur> there will be plenty of help available of course

[16:10] <burma_crew1> that's easy
[16:10] <ngaur> good

[16:10] <burma_crew1> we know basic stuff but we need to learn more about web design

[16:10] <ngaur> sure

[16:10] <wowi> back

[16:10] <ngaur> hi wowi

[16:10] * wowi knows a graphic designer :)

[16:10] <burma_crew1> our page is going very slowly because we can't get access to the server

[16:10] <burma_crew1> in portland

[16:10] <ngaur> we talked a little about the scoop thing

[16:11] <ngaur> wowi: did you talk to alastair @ scoop?

[16:11] <wowi> ngaur: i was in the forest and planned to email today

[16:11] <wowi> nope..

[16:11] <ngaur> ok

[16:11] <wowi> getting stuff done bit by bit.

[16:11] *** halo is now known as halo-food

[16:11] <ngaur> usually the way

[16:11] <wowi> will talk to chris about the design tomorrow

[16:11] <halo-food> going to get some food cos it's getting late here :)

[16:11] <wowi> mmm

[16:11] <wowi> eat sumin for me

[16:11] <halo-food> oaky :)
[16:12] <halo-food> thanks everyone, this meeting's got me kinda excited about stuff :)

[16:12] <halo-food> seeya later

[16:12] <ngaur> we should load up a bit of documentation on any computers we send so people don't have to go online for all the web desing info they need

[16:13] <ngaur> *design

[16:13] <pabs> indeed, and software

[16:13] <wowi> yes

[16:13] <wowi> we can do that

[16:13] <ngaur> burma: how affordable is web access there?

[16:13] <wowi> the laptop is in perth

[16:13] <burma_crew1> atm we use the web in other organisations

[16:14] <burma_crew1> but its often difficult to get access

[16:14] <ngaur> given a laptop you'll be able to write stuff in advance ready to publish

[16:14] <burma_crew1> for a-net we can get one month unlimited for 12 aud

[16:15] <burma_crew1> but we need a phone line

[16:15] <burma_crew1> which is about 50 aud per month

[16:16] <ngaur> more expensive than here for phone line

[16:16] <aubrey> sori, still have to do something..alex is still conncected anyway. till the next meeting =)

[16:16] <burma_crew1> bye aubrey

[16:16] <pabs> cya aubrey 

[16:16] <ngaur> do you also pay per call or per minute?

[16:17] <aubrey> ngaur: is that for me?

[16:17] <burma_crew1> yeah a few cents

[16:17] <aubrey> oh, sori. bye!

[16:17] <ngaur> aubrey: I meant burma

[16:18] <wowi> cya aubrey :)

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