[Imc-liege-process] Re: [IMC-Process] Indymedia Liege supports the disaffiliation of Brisbane.

[turlututu]

chrisc a écrit :

> Dear imc-Liege,
>
> I  understand that it is extremely difficult for you to make decisions 
> concerning matters on the other side of the world.  I've been trying 
> to point out the hypocrisy of recent events within IMCN, and was 
> particularly struck by your comment:
>
> On 24/11/2004, at 12:15 AM, turlututu wrote:
>
>> We think a group which uses some authoritarian methods, which excludes a
>> part of its members, which refuses the debate, which censures without
>> reason, etc... is not worthy to be a part of the network.
>
>
> I'd say that's a fair description of current imc-process facilitation 
> methods, at least as they apply to the Brisbane issue.  In fact, I'd 
> be hard pressed to find a better description of the recent methods of 
> Oceania IMC, CAT and imc-process, than that which you've provided.  In 
> attempting to defend Brisbane IMC through rational debate, and 
> attempting to foster an intelligible discourse, I've been confronted 
> at every turn by these "authoritarian methods," a stubborn refusal to 
> debate, compulsive censorship, and a lack of legitimate reason.  (If 
> needed, I am able to substantiate these allegations with documentary 
> evidence.)   I do hope that you have weighed up the relevant facts 
> carefully in coming to this decision.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
>
> Chris Coughran.
>
>
> On 24/11/2004, at 12:15 AM, turlututu wrote:
>
>> [EN]
>>
>> Imc Liege agrees with the proposal made by the ex-members in exile of
>> Brisbane and Imc Melbourne about the disaffiliation of Imc Brisbane.
>>
>> We think a group which uses some authoritarian methods, which excludes a
>> part of its members, which refuses the debate, which censures without
>> reason, etc... is not worthy to be a part of the network. As far as this
>> group doesn't want to finish with such adrifts and solve these internal
>> problems, we don't see any other alternative than its own exclusion.
>>
>> Since the beginning, we are very attached to the values based on
>> principles of equality, respect and tolerance. Those values can be found
>> in the principles of unity, that's why it has a great importance to our
>> eyes. The principles of unity are not just symbolic, they're the heart
>> and reason of the existence of Indymedia. We think that all groups which
>> will not respect several points of the POU will have to conform to it,
>> or to be disaffiliated if the situation is serious and really bad.
>>
>> We can't tolerate this kind of adrifts, because if we accept them or if
>> we close the eyes, all the network which will suffer and will be
>> contaminated...
>>
>> ===
>>
>> [FR]
>>
>> Imc Liege est favorable à la proposition émise par les anciens membres
>> de Brisbane en exile et de Imc Melbourne concernant la désafilliation de
>> Imc Brisbane.
>>
>> Nous pensons qu'un groupe qui use de méthodes autoritaires, qui exclu
>> une partie de ses membres, qui refuse le débat, qui censure sans raison,
>> ect... n'est pas digne d'appartenir au réseau. Dans la mesure où
>> celui-ci ne veut pas en finir avec de telles dérives et résoudre ses
>> problèmes internes, nous ne voyons pas d'autres alternative que son
>> exclusion.
>>
>> Depuis toujours nous sommes très attachés aux valeurs basées sur des
>> principes d'égalité, de respect et de tolérance. Ces valeurs se
>> retrouvent dans les principes d'unité, c'est pourquoi il a une grande
>> valeur à nos yeux. Les principes d'unité ont bien plus qu'une valeur
>> symbolique, ils sont l'âme d'Indymedia et sa raison d'être. Nous pensons
>> que tout indymedia qui ne respectera pas plusieurs points devra soit s'y
>> conformer, soit être désaffilié si la situation est grave et 
>> injustifiable.
>>
>> Nous ne pouvons tolérer de telle dérives, car si nous les acceptons ou
>> si nous fermons les yeux, c'est le réseau tout entier qui en pâtira et
>> sera contaminé...
>>
>>
>>
>> turlututu, contact for Imc Liege
>>
>>
>>
>>
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