[imc-liverpool] Fwd: Imc-uk-network Digest, Vol 18, Issue 9
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1. meeting wed 13 Oct and other updates (ionnek)
2. Kids Autonomous Spaces (KAS) During ESF (levin at riseup.net)
3. IRC servers (garcondumonde)
4. Re: [Imc-uk-process] IRC servers (garcondumonde)
5. start of damage assessment (yossarian)
6. IMC UK Mirrors (Chris)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:14:01 +0100
From: ionnek <ionnek at gmx.net>
Subject: [Imc-uk-network] meeting wed 13 Oct and other updates
To: imc-esf at lists.indymedia.org, imc-uk-network at lists.indymedia.org
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We just had a mammoth-meeting with mainly imc-uk people, and I'll try to
give you an update. Not complete, but hopefully an overview that gives
you a rough idea what's happening and where you can jump in. I am
sending this to imc-esf and imc-uk-network.
First of all, yes, let's meet on Wed 4pm at rampArt, 15 rampart street,
london, E1 2LA, to swap knowledge and brief each other. Zcat, ionnek and
possibly some others from imc uk will come along.
My impression is that it would be good to discuss four big areas:
- london landscape: briefing on what is where and when
- housekeeping in Camden Center
- reporting/dispatch and keeping the information channels open
- seizing servers sucks!
I will try to sum up some basic info, and web-resources where you can
read up or participate. By no means complete - because we expect that
lots of things will be self-organised ad-hoc, in true indymedia fashion.
If you need additional details, check the wiki and the indymedia call,
links are at the bottom of this mail.
- we propose to have a quick indymedia briefing every day in camden
center, maybe 9 o'clock in camden center.
- Camden Center: indymedia dispatch and workspaces, and "4 days of
tactical media production" conference including european forum of
communication rights. Located near Kings Cross.
There are two other media production nodes, connected to camden center:
- RampART: The social center where some of you are going to stay.
RampART does an audio stream and has some more programme. (I guess it
takes about 45 mins to get there from Camden Center)
- Beyond ESF at Middlesex University, Tottenham Campus, White Hart Lane,
London N17 (I guess it takes about 45 to 60 mins to get there from
Camden Center, depending on the kind of transport you use)
Camden Center is relatively close (roughly 30 minutes) to some other
-- London School of Economics (LSE), Solidarity Village ("Life Despite
Capitalism" and other stuff)
-- Conway Hall, Solidarity Village
-- Bloomsbury (the neighbourhood where quite a few official ESF seminars
CAMDEN CENTER HOUSEKEEPING
Camden Center has a main hall for about 400 people, maybe more. That's
where the conference stuff takes place. It is accessible through the
front door. The indymedia stuff is in 4 small backrooms, accessible
through the backdoor. We will have a "shared stall", for people to leave
materials (videos, papers, cds...) they want to distribute or sell (..i
think). And there is a bar, with a number of public access terminals.
Camden Center is a rented venue. It will be open most of the 4 days, on
sunday probably at reduced capacity (only bar...). During the night, it
will be closed.
We need "stewards" at the frontdoor and backdoor, and people at the bar
and the shared stall. You can put yourself down at the wiki:
In addition to indypeople, some volunteers from wacc, greennet and other
groups involved in the efcr have already put themselves down at the
At the front-door/welcome desk, you can expect lots of logistic
questions, but we have info-material about most events, certainly about
the autonomous spaces. Tasks at the bar are obvious, I guess, and it
seems to be the most popular task!
In previous imcs, there were things like indymedia press passes. We
talked about registration for the indymedia center, just to make sure
that the resources are used for alternative media reporting rather than
private emailing or corporate news production. I don't know the details.
But part of the task at the backdoor will probably be to check people
in, give them the info they need etc.
Brett is going to send an update about childcare.
There are probably tons of other things, but this is all i remember.
We have an extra room in Camden Center for reporting/dispatch/feature
writing etc. Lots of info will flow through irc. As always, we will try
to coordinate indy-reporting from all major events, the main
coordinating tool will be a wiki (to be set up), which should be updated
whereever somebody decides to be present at an event. We will also have
paper-sheets in camden center, where people can commit to stuff, but it
would be good to transfer this info to the wiki.
We have 2 reporting telephone numbers.
07050 686844 is to talk to a person, with info "what exactly happened?
where did it happen? did you seewhat you are reporting yourself? Where
are you right now? What else is going on right now in that place?"
07050 686683 is to record an audio message. When you phone this number,
your message will be recorded. It can then be uploaded to the indymedia
newswire as an audio file and broadcast via the radio stream.
There might also be the possibility to send SMS.
SEIZING SERVERS SUCKS
"The Empire took our servers", as jebba said. Well, probably all
indymedia people are aware that we still don't have them back, and still
don't know the details of who exactly took them, and why. All we know is
that a US federal authority was involved, affecting 20 indymedia sites
mostly in Europe. 8 are still out of order, 7 have unsatisfactory
temporary solutions. Effectively, the Empire, whoever it is, seized a
million articles. Is this theft? Or a violation of copyleft, or
"server-napping"? We think that the ESF and the European Forum of
Communication Rights are good places to raise our voices about this
adresses of autonomous spaces
journeyplanner to find the spaces via public transport
efcr website (incl. programme, travel instructions etc)
portal to all alternative spaces etc
more indymedia organising background info
probably most regularly updated indymedia server seizure info
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:08:02 +0100
From: levin at riseup.net
Subject: [Imc-uk-network] Kids Autonomous Spaces (KAS) During ESF
To: imc-uk-network at lists.indymedia.org
Cc: imc-esf at lists.indymedia.org
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Kids Autonomous Spaces (KAS) During ESF
There will be kids' spaces available for some Autonomous Spaces events,
be used by parents and carers and their kids as places to play, relax,
or simply hang out.
KAS will exist at:
* Camden Centre, Bidborough Street, (tube: Kings Cross) on Thursday
October 14th, 10pm - 6pm.
* London School of Economics, Houghton Street, (tube: Holborn) on
October 15th and Saturday October 16th, 9:30pm - 6pm.
* Beyond ESF @ Middlesex University, Tottenham Campus, (train: White
Hart Lane, nearest tube: Wood Green) on Friday October 15th 1pm -> late,
Sat October 16th 1pm -> late.
There is no official cr\xE8che organised for these spaces, so you will
able to leave your kids unaccompanied, but some of us have set up a rota
we can look after each other's kids while we go to meetings etc.
Please feel free to set up your own similar rota with your friends and
the space for this. We will be bringing some toys, activities, snacks
drinks and encourage other people bringing their kids to bring toys etc
If you are interested in getting involved please join our mailing list,
sending an email to the address below.
k-a-s-subscribe at yahoogroups.com.
Any changes or updates will be posted to this website:
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 06:13:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "garcondumonde" <gdm at fifthhorseman.net>
Subject: [Imc-uk-network] IRC servers
To: imc-uk-tech at lists.indymedia.org,
imc-uk-network at lists.indymedia.org, imc-uk-process at lists.indymedia.org
Message-ID: <55061.192.195.170.5.1097316821.squirrel at 126.96.36.199>
>> che seems dead. please dont let it be the feds have
>> grabed che too......
> /me hope this is not the case... :-/
for those who don't know, 'che' is the name of the indymedia irc server
ALTERNATIVE INDYMEDIA SERVER INFORMATION
similar channels to those on irc.indymedia.org are being set up as
join. all commands etc are the same (of course)
there is also a web-interface/java app via http://chat.perthimc.asn.au
those who don't connect using a formal irc-client
may the struggle continue, cos they can't beat us!
love and solidarity,
IMC-communication mailing list
IMC-communication at lists.indymedia.org
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 06:26:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "garcondumonde" <gdm at fifthhorseman.net>
Subject: [Imc-uk-network] Re: [Imc-uk-process] IRC servers
To: ronya at riseup.net
Cc: imc-uk-network at lists.indymedia.org,
imc-uk-tech at lists.indymedia.org, imc-uk-process at lists.indymedia.org
Message-ID: <27005.192.195.170.5.1097317567.squirrel at 188.8.131.52>
INFO AT BOTTOM
> hi and thanks gdm!
> just emailed before yours arrived as i couldnt get into irc...
> could you email instructions to this list?
> i got into the perth irc but could not register and get into the chat,
> also my nick belongs to the che server...
> super thanks!
>> ALTERNATIVE INDYMEDIA SERVER INFORMATION
>> similar channels to those on irc.indymedia.org are being set up as
>> join. all commands etc are the same (of course)
>> there is also a web-interface/java app via http://chat.perthimc.asn.au
>> those who don't connect using a formal irc-client
*this is not a secure server*
you cannot connect via ssl and your ip will be viewable by anyone else
is connected (if they know how)
there are no registerd nicks, and certainly not the ones from che - do
type your password in ;-)
use the following commands:
/join #channel <== joins specified channel
/nick newnick <== changes your name to 'newnick' or whatever u write
/msg someone <== sends 'someone' a private message
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:42:43 +0100
From: yossarian <yossarian at aktivix.org>
Subject: [Imc-uk-network] start of damage assessment
To: imc-uk-network at lists.indymedia.org
Cc: imc-press at indymedia.org
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(copying this to imc-press so they get an idea of the network damage we
are looking at)
It's all quite a bit worse than we thought - in the UK we feel normal
because Space Bunny feels paranoid a lot of the time and so was
mirroring the site, but we are going to have a lot of visitors showing
up soon wondering why we are not as angry as they are. Italy has lost
*all* of its photos, video, and audio, unless it can be laboriously
scraped out internet cache servers before it disappears. They also lost
two months worth of text articles. Uruguay has nothing since April;
Nantes has major damage and others are still assessing. The FBI
essentially took about 1 million pieces of Indymedia content off-line
when they hit those servers (articles, audio, video, and comments).
Here's what I wrote earlier and posted to the wire.
Indymedia internet servers in London have been disappeared into U.S.
custody, but we don't know where they went or who took them, as the
hosting company refuses to tell us. We can't generate any corporate
media interest because there are not enough facts available to make a
coherent story, but unless we can generate interest we will never be
able to put enough pressure on the authorities to get any facts out of
One thing is very clear. The equipment that we use to help people 'be
their own media' has been spirited away to some sort of Guantanamo Bay
for "terrorist" computer hard drives. There are also some interesting
negative facts. No one has been charged with a crime. The Home Office in
the UK "can neither confirm nor deny" their involvement in the seizure
of the equipment. The US embassy denied knowledge of the seizure on
Friday; an exploratory phone call to the crack investigators at Scotland
Yard on Saturday revealed that "you need to tell us who took the
equipment before we can find them." And there is a gaping hole on the
internet where about 1 million Indymedia news articles, comments,
photos, audio reports, and videos used to be.
The wound is closing, but unless the equipment is returned the scar
tissue will never go away. The IMCs that had more tech resources and
paranoia were keeping constant backups - IMC-UK was back online within
four hours of the seizure, with virtually no loss of content. Others
were not so fortunate. IMC-Italy has now reappeared online after four
days, and have permanently lost about two months worth of data;
IMC-Uruguay has lost everything since last April; others are still
assessing damage but most of the 20-odd sites affected have major
damage. Thousands of articles have been pulled from the sunlit internet
into the dark prison of the U.S. government's "undernet." Perhaps the
FBI will use the stolen equipment to set up an Undermedia network for
use by the detainees in Guantanamo, Belmarsh Prison, Abu Ghraib?
If you have ever read an Indymedia site, posted to the newswire, or made
a comment, then please consider: this incident is not an attack on
Indymedia, it is an attack on you. Indymedia volunteers are few in
number, and we don't produce much content compared to what is produced
by the hundreds of thousands of people who have contributed to the sites
over the last five years. The FBI has stolen an irreplaceable piece of
our collective history. Worse, they have made a direct attack on an
important component of the global movement against neoliberalism, a part
that carries messages to and from the different parts of our body
politic without the need for the authoritarian brain of a Central
Committee to tell us how to move.
Indymedia is still assessing the damage; but in the next few days as the
shock wears off, it will likely be looking for other actors in the
global justice movements to do solidarity actions, sign petitions, put
pressure on governments, and cause trouble on its behalf. You are
invited to take part. Please check in for regular updates at a
(surviving) Indymedia site near you.
Sites with major damage:
brasil.indymedia.org euskalherria.indymedia.org germany.indymedia.org
italy.indymedia.org liege.indymedia.org lille.indymedia.org
nantes.indymedia.org nice.indymedia.org pl.indymedia.org
Sites that are still off the net:
ambazonia.indymedia.org andorra.indymedia.org antwerpen.indymedia.org
belgrade.indymedia.org keys.indymedia.org oost-vlaanderen.indymedia.org
prague.indymedia.org uruguay.indymedia.org wmass.indymedia.org
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:03:55 +0100
From: Chris <chris at aktivix.org>
Subject: [Imc-uk-network] IMC UK Mirrors
To: IMC UK Tech <imc-uk-tech at lists.indymedia.org>
Cc: IMC UK Network <imc-uk-network at lists.indymedia.org>
Message-ID: <20041011160355.GD31711 at aktivix.org>
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Multiple mirrors of www.indymedia.org.uk are in the
process of being set up, the delay in setting these up at
the moment is the time needed to get the initial site
(it's 6.6gig when compressed).
When there are multiple mirrors running it will be
slightly confusing at the site will sometimes appear to be
older than it was as people get pages from a mirror that
isn't as up to date as the one they were one...
But it will make the site more resiliant to servers being
We could do with some more mirrors, if you are able to
offer a server with a good net connection or know someone
who might then please point them to this document:
Also we really need to sort out some redundancy for the
publishing server. I think we should perhaps see if we can
get people to set up standing orders to the network
account or something to get an steady income so that we
can start to contribute to the bandwidth /hardware costs
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