[imc-liverpool] Fwd: Imc-uk-network Digest, Vol 18, Issue 9

Mon Oct 11 13:12:46 PDT 2004

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Today's Topics:

   1. meeting wed 13 Oct and other updates (ionnek)
   2. Kids Autonomous Spaces (KAS) During ESF (levin at riseup.net)
   3. IRC servers (garcondumonde)
   4. Re: [Imc-uk-process] IRC servers (garcondumonde)
   5. start of damage assessment (yossarian)
   6. IMC UK Mirrors (Chris)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:14:01 +0100
From: ionnek <ionnek at gmx.net>
Subject: [Imc-uk-network] meeting wed 13 Oct and other updates
To: imc-esf at lists.indymedia.org, imc-uk-network at lists.indymedia.org
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Hi all,
We just had a mammoth-meeting with mainly imc-uk people, and I'll try to 
give you an update. Not complete, but hopefully an overview that gives 
you a rough idea what's happening and where you can jump in. I am 
sending this to imc-esf and imc-uk-network.

First of all, yes, let's meet on Wed 4pm at rampArt, 15 rampart street, 
london, E1 2LA, to swap knowledge and brief each other. Zcat, ionnek and 
possibly some others from imc uk will come along.
My impression is that it would be good to discuss four big areas:

- london landscape: briefing on what is where and when
- housekeeping in Camden Center
- reporting/dispatch and keeping the information channels open
- seizing servers sucks!

I will try to sum up some basic info, and web-resources where you can 
read up or participate. By no means complete - because we expect that 
lots of things will be self-organised ad-hoc, in true indymedia fashion. 
If you need additional details, check the wiki and the indymedia call, 
links are at the bottom of this mail.

LONDON LANDSCAPE

- we propose to have a quick indymedia briefing every day in camden 
center, maybe 9 o'clock in camden center.

- Camden Center: indymedia dispatch and workspaces, and "4 days of 
tactical media production" conference including european forum of 
communication rights. Located near Kings Cross.

There are two other media production nodes, connected to camden center:
- RampART: The social center where some of you are going to stay. 
RampART does an audio stream and has some more programme. (I guess it 
takes about 45 mins to get there from Camden Center)
- Beyond ESF at Middlesex University, Tottenham Campus, White Hart Lane, 
London N17 (I guess it takes about 45 to 60 mins to get there from 
Camden Center, depending on the kind of transport you use)

Camden Center is relatively close (roughly 30 minutes) to some other 
locations:

-- London School of Economics (LSE), Solidarity Village ("Life Despite 
Capitalism" and other stuff)
http://letslink.org/solidarity/
-- Conway Hall, Solidarity Village
http://letslink.org/solidarity/
-- Bloomsbury (the neighbourhood where quite a few official ESF seminars 
take place

CAMDEN CENTER HOUSEKEEPING

Camden Center has a main hall for about 400 people, maybe more. That's 
where the conference stuff takes place. It is accessible through the 
front door. The indymedia stuff is in 4 small backrooms, accessible 
through the backdoor. We will have a "shared stall", for people to leave 
materials (videos, papers, cds...) they want to distribute or sell (..i 
think). And there is a bar, with a number of public access terminals.
Camden Center is a rented venue. It will be open most of the 4 days, on 
sunday probably at reduced capacity (only bar...). During the night, it 
will be closed.
We need "stewards" at the frontdoor and backdoor, and people at the bar 
and the shared stall. You can put yourself down at the wiki:
http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUkEsfTasksRolesBar#Bar_Internet_Cafe

In addition to indypeople, some volunteers from wacc, greennet and other 
groups involved in the efcr have already put themselves down at the
wiki.

At the front-door/welcome desk, you can expect lots of logistic 
questions, but we have info-material about most events, certainly about 
the autonomous spaces. Tasks at the bar are obvious, I guess, and it 
seems to be the most popular task!
In previous imcs, there were things like indymedia press passes. We 
talked about registration for the indymedia center, just to make sure 
that the resources are used for alternative media reporting rather than 
private emailing or corporate news production. I don't know the details. 
But part of the task at the backdoor will probably be to check people 
in, give them the info they need etc.

Brett is going to send an update about childcare.

There are probably tons of other things, but this is all i remember.

REPORTING/DISPATCH

We have an extra room in Camden Center for reporting/dispatch/feature 
writing etc. Lots of info will flow through irc. As always, we will try 
to coordinate indy-reporting from all major events, the main 
coordinating tool will be a wiki (to be set up), which should be updated 
whereever somebody decides to be present at an event. We will also have 
paper-sheets in camden center, where people can commit to stuff, but it 
would be good to transfer this info to the wiki.

We have 2 reporting telephone numbers.
07050 686844 is to talk to a person, with info "what exactly happened? 
where did it happen? did you seewhat you are reporting yourself? Where 
are you right now? What else is going on right now in that place?"
07050 686683 is to record an audio message. When you phone this number, 
your message will be recorded. It can then be uploaded to the indymedia 
newswire as an audio file and broadcast via the radio stream.
There might also be the possibility to send SMS.

SEIZING SERVERS SUCKS

"The Empire took our servers", as jebba said. Well, probably all 
indymedia people are aware that we still don't have them back, and still 
don't know the details of who exactly took them, and why. All we know is 
that a US federal authority was involved, affecting 20 indymedia sites 
mostly in Europe. 8 are still out of order, 7 have unsatisfactory 
temporary solutions. Effectively, the Empire, whoever it is, seized a 
million articles. Is this theft? Or a violation of copyleft, or 
"server-napping"? We think that the ESF and the European Forum of 
Communication Rights are good places to raise our voices about this 
incident.

LINKS
adresses of autonomous spaces
http://www.altspaces.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?pagename=Main.SpacesInfo

journeyplanner to find the spaces via public transport
http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk

indymedia call
http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUkEsfCall

efcr website (incl. programme, travel instructions etc)
http://www.efcr2004.net/

portal to all alternative spaces etc
http://www.esf2004.net/

indymedia-organising twiki:
http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUkEsfTasksRolesBar#Bar_Internet_Cafe

more indymedia organising background info
http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUkEsfTasksRoles

probably most regularly updated indymedia server seizure info
http://indymedia.org/en/static/fbi

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:08:02 +0100
From: levin at riseup.net
Subject: [Imc-uk-network] Kids Autonomous Spaces (KAS) During ESF
To: imc-uk-network at lists.indymedia.org
Cc: imc-esf at lists.indymedia.org
Message-ID: <1097492882.416a699294b9c at mail.riseup.net>
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Kids Autonomous Spaces (KAS) During ESF

There will be kids' spaces available for some Autonomous Spaces events,
to
be used by parents and carers and their kids as places to play, relax,
feed
or simply hang out.

KAS will exist at:

    * Camden Centre, Bidborough Street, (tube: Kings Cross) on Thursday
October 14th, 10pm - 6pm.
    * London School of Economics, Houghton Street, (tube: Holborn) on
Friday
October 15th and Saturday October 16th, 9:30pm - 6pm.
    * Beyond ESF @ Middlesex University, Tottenham Campus, (train: White
Hart Lane, nearest tube: Wood Green) on Friday October 15th 1pm -> late,
Sat October 16th 1pm -> late.

There is no official cr\xE8che organised for these spaces, so you will
not be
able to leave your kids unaccompanied, but some of us have set up a rota
so
we can look after each other's kids while we go to meetings etc.

Please feel free to set up your own similar rota with your friends and
use
the space for this. We will be bringing some toys, activities, snacks
and
drinks and encourage other people bringing their kids to bring toys etc
to
share.

If you are interested in getting involved please join our mailing list,
by
sending an email to the address below.

k-a-s-subscribe at yahoogroups.com.

Any changes or updates will be posted to this website:

http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcUkEsfTasksRolesBar#Kids_Autonomous_Space_KAS

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 06:13:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "garcondumonde" <gdm at fifthhorseman.net>
Subject: [Imc-uk-network] IRC servers
To: imc-uk-tech at lists.indymedia.org,
	imc-uk-network at lists.indymedia.org,	imc-uk-process at lists.indymedia.org
Message-ID: <55061.192.195.170.5.1097316821.squirrel at 192.195.170.5>
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>> che seems dead. please dont let it be the feds have
>> grabed che too......
>
> /me hope this is not the case... :-/

for those who don't know, 'che' is the name of the indymedia irc server
:-)

ALTERNATIVE INDYMEDIA SERVER INFORMATION

chat.perthimc.asn.au

similar channels to those on irc.indymedia.org are being set up as
people
join. all commands etc are the same (of course)

there is also a web-interface/java app via http://chat.perthimc.asn.au
for
those who don't connect using a formal irc-client

may the struggle continue, cos they can't beat us!

love and solidarity,

       --gdm

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 06:26:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "garcondumonde" <gdm at fifthhorseman.net>
Subject: [Imc-uk-network] Re: [Imc-uk-process] IRC servers
To: ronya at riseup.net
Cc: imc-uk-network at lists.indymedia.org,
	imc-uk-tech at lists.indymedia.org,	imc-uk-process at lists.indymedia.org
Message-ID: <27005.192.195.170.5.1097317567.squirrel at 192.195.170.5>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

INFO AT BOTTOM

> hi and thanks gdm!
> just emailed before yours arrived as i couldnt get into irc...
> could you email instructions to this list?
> i got into the perth irc but could not register and get into the chat,
> guess
> also my nick belongs to the che server...
> super thanks!
> ronya
>

>> ALTERNATIVE INDYMEDIA SERVER INFORMATION
>>
>> chat.perthimc.asn.au
>>
>> similar channels to those on irc.indymedia.org are being set up as
>> people
>> join. all commands etc are the same (of course)
>>
>> there is also a web-interface/java app via http://chat.perthimc.asn.au
>> for
>> those who don't connect using a formal irc-client

INFORMATION

*this is not a secure server*

you cannot connect via ssl and your ip will be viewable by anyone else
who
is connected (if they know how)

there are no registerd nicks, and certainly not the ones from che - do
NOT
type your password in ;-)

use the following commands:

/join #channel    <== joins specified channel
/nick newnick     <== changes your name to 'newnick' or whatever u write
;-)
/msg someone      <== sends 'someone' a private message

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:42:43 +0100
From: yossarian <yossarian at aktivix.org>
Subject: [Imc-uk-network] start of damage assessment
To: imc-uk-network at lists.indymedia.org
Cc: imc-press at indymedia.org
Message-ID: <4169E513.9080306 at aktivix.org>
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(copying this to imc-press so they get an idea of the network damage we 
are looking at)

Hi,

It's all quite a bit worse than we thought - in the UK we feel normal 
because Space Bunny feels paranoid a lot of the time and so was 
mirroring the site, but we are going to have a lot of visitors showing 
up soon wondering why we are not as angry as they are.  Italy has lost 
*all* of its photos, video, and audio, unless it can be laboriously 
scraped out internet cache servers before it disappears.  They also lost 
two months worth of text articles.  Uruguay has nothing since April;  
Nantes has major damage and others are still assessing.  The FBI 
essentially took about 1 million pieces of Indymedia content off-line 
when they hit those servers (articles, audio, video, and comments). 

Here's what I wrote earlier and posted to the wire.

Catch-22

Indymedia internet servers in London have been disappeared into U.S. 
custody, but we don't know where they went or who took them, as the 
hosting company refuses to tell us. We can't generate any corporate 
media interest because there are not enough facts available to make a 
coherent story, but unless we can generate interest we will never be 
able to put enough pressure on the authorities to get any facts out of 
them.

One thing is very clear. The equipment that we use to help people 'be 
their own media' has been spirited away to some sort of Guantanamo Bay 
for "terrorist" computer hard drives. There are also some interesting 
negative facts. No one has been charged with a crime. The Home Office in 
the UK "can neither confirm nor deny" their involvement in the seizure 
of the equipment. The US embassy denied knowledge of the seizure on 
Friday; an exploratory phone call to the crack investigators at Scotland 
Yard on Saturday revealed that "you need to tell us who took the 
equipment before we can find them." And there is a gaping hole on the 
internet where about 1 million Indymedia news articles, comments, 
photos, audio reports, and videos used to be.

The wound is closing, but unless the equipment is returned the scar 
tissue will never go away. The IMCs that had more tech resources and 
paranoia were keeping constant backups - IMC-UK was back online within 
four hours of the seizure, with virtually no loss of content. Others 
were not so fortunate. IMC-Italy has now reappeared online after four 
days, and have permanently lost about two months worth of data; 
IMC-Uruguay has lost everything since last April; others are still 
assessing damage but most of the 20-odd sites affected have major 
damage. Thousands of articles have been pulled from the sunlit internet 
into the dark prison of the U.S. government's "undernet." Perhaps the 
FBI will use the stolen equipment to set up an Undermedia network for 
use by the detainees in Guantanamo, Belmarsh Prison, Abu Ghraib?

If you have ever read an Indymedia site, posted to the newswire, or made 
a comment, then please consider: this incident is not an attack on 
Indymedia, it is an attack on you. Indymedia volunteers are few in 
number, and we don't produce much content compared to what is produced 
by the hundreds of thousands of people who have contributed to the sites 
over the last five years. The FBI has stolen an irreplaceable piece of 
our collective history. Worse, they have made a direct attack on an 
important component of the global movement against neoliberalism, a part 
that carries messages to and from the different parts of our body 
politic without the need for the authoritarian brain of a Central 
Committee to tell us how to move.

Indymedia is still assessing the damage; but in the next few days as the 
shock wears off, it will likely be looking for other actors in the 
global justice movements to do solidarity actions, sign petitions, put 
pressure on governments, and cause trouble on its behalf. You are 
invited to take part. Please check in for regular updates at a 
(surviving) Indymedia site near you.

Sites with major damage:
brasil.indymedia.org euskalherria.indymedia.org germany.indymedia.org 
italy.indymedia.org liege.indymedia.org lille.indymedia.org 
nantes.indymedia.org nice.indymedia.org pl.indymedia.org 
portugal.indymedia.org

Sites that are still off the net:
ambazonia.indymedia.org andorra.indymedia.org antwerpen.indymedia.org 
belgrade.indymedia.org keys.indymedia.org oost-vlaanderen.indymedia.org 
prague.indymedia.org uruguay.indymedia.org wmass.indymedia.org 
wvl.indymedia.org

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:03:55 +0100
From: Chris <chris at aktivix.org>
Subject: [Imc-uk-network] IMC UK Mirrors
To: IMC UK Tech <imc-uk-tech at lists.indymedia.org>
Cc: IMC UK Network <imc-uk-network at lists.indymedia.org>
Message-ID: <20041011160355.GD31711 at aktivix.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi

Multiple mirrors of www.indymedia.org.uk are in the
process of being set up, the delay in setting these up at
the moment is the time needed to get the initial site
(it's 6.6gig when compressed).

When there are multiple mirrors running it will be
slightly confusing at the site will sometimes appear to be
older than it was as people get pages from a mirror that
isn't as up to date as the one they were one...

But it will make the site more resiliant to servers being
taken out...

We could do with some more mirrors, if you are able to
offer a server with a good net connection or know someone
who might then please point them to this document:

  http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/UkMirror

Also we really need to sort out some redundancy for the
publishing server. I think we should perhaps see if we can
get people to set up standing orders to the network
account or something to get an steady income so that we
can start to contribute to the bandwidth /hardware costs
of servers.

Chris

-- 
Aktivix -- Free Software for a Free World

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