[Imc-mayday-collective] BLOCK Re: [New-imc] PROPOSED NEW IMC: Mayday Indymedia, deadline 22 Apr 2011 21.30

[behindthemask at riseup.net]

Hi Bart

> from my point of view, the New-IMC application is not well-documented as
> the
> Mayday collective started to document their (mostly virtual) meetings not
> even
> a month ago (except for one meeting in January). I explained in more
> detail why I think this is necessary.

As you will be aware from reading the documentation, the Mayday collective
is older than its name. The Mayday collective were previously the UK
collective [1] and there is a link to their documentation and minutes of
meetings on the Mayday page. The change was one of name and circumstance,
and nothing else.

Mayday's members are geographically distant from one another. That is why
it has been difficult for them to have many face-to-face meetings and why
IRC meetings have dominated.

The members of the UK collective have all been centrally involved in
running the UK Mir site, and have been members of local collectives, for a
number of years. I think it is unreasonable to treat the Mayday
collective, with their long experience of being involved in Indymedia
collectives, in the same way as a genuinely new IMC.

For all of these reasons I ask you to reconsider the completeness of
Mayday's documentation. I think what they have provided is reasonable
given the circumstances of their inception. I am asking you to withdraw
this objection.

> I asked quite a lot of questions about the anti-abuse measures applied by
> indymedia.org.uk and I am not satisfied with the answers. I asked for
> a
> thorough and transparent analysis and reflection on the 303 case and
> did
> not even receive a response from the collective yet. I consider the Mayday
> draft on this topic to be insufficient.

I tend to agree that a more reflective account of these events from Mayday
would make a better document. I have asked for the collective to produce
this and I am confident that you will see one soon. I hope that you will
then withdraw your block.

> I am
> deeply worried about some of the answers as they foreshadow that the abuse
> of
> these measures could continue in the future.

I would ask you to substantiate your very serious accusations about the
Mayday collective's 'abuse' or intention to 'abuse' IP monitoring,
'betrayal' of site users and use of their CMS as 'spyware' [2] or to
withdraw them.

btm


[1] https://docs.indymedia.org/Local/ImcUkCollective
[2] http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-April/0409-zf.html