[Imc-neworleans] Fwd: logging in to NOLA-IMC

Sun Aug 19 15:46:50 PDT 2007

"

Was the decision to remove my log-in something that you took on
personally, or was this a  decision made by a group that met?  And why
was this not done publicly and transparently?

"
I heard repeatedly that you had stopped being involved, then after your 
account had been inactive for a time (over a month) I removed it (with 
out consulting anyone), and that was weeks ago.  Some of this occurred 
after your more recent flaming and I figured you walked because of that, 
and to make contact you and confirm it would present a saving face 
issue.  I wanted to ask you about it personally at Markies the other 
night, but you refused to return my greetings, I figured that was that, 
I would let this go quietly.  Non active members should not have login 
access, for the reasons previously discussed.  That there were inactive 
users on the site after it was abandoned is sort of a no brainer, it was 
abandoned, people weren't maintaining it, ie no maintenance was done.  
I'd left them in place for a time in hopes of drawing them back. 

It seems one thing that you haven't mentioned in you emails is whether 
you left?  You left once before (I think 2006), stating "you only felt 
motivated by IMC in emergencies", saying that you were leaving.  I tried 
to talk you out of it because you were the only active member left in 
NOLA as I was leaving town that week.  I was going to remove your login 
then,  but C said you had rethought the issue, and so you had.  Then 
presumably you left once before that, some time in 2004 when you moved 
to the bay?

You mention for some reason in your email that I have had a period of 
inactivity with the site, I have no idea what you are talking about.   I 
have continued  working on this beloved project since I found it 
abandoned in early 2005.

-- Will

Christian Roselund wrote:
> Will, NOLA-IMC folks,
>
>
> To clarify, I haven't gone to a NOLA-IMC meeting in a while.  Frankly,
> I'm pretty busy working for the teachers' union.  However, I don't
> think "being under the impression" that I left the collective is a
> good reason to remove a log-in.
>
> Like yourself, I have had periods of being active on the site and
> other periods where I've been busy with other things.  I don't recall
> you ever asking me or ever receiving an email to notify me that you
> were considering removing my log-in.  And I don't recall being
> involved in removing the log-ins of people who were still in New
> Orleans- I will note that we left two log-ins that were idle for
> literally years.
>
> Was the decision to remove my log-in something that you took on
> personally, or was this a  decision made by a group that met?  And why
> was this not done publicly and transparently?
>
>
> Christian
>
> On 8/18/07, Will Kirchheimer <will.kirchheimer at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>>  Um, actually there have been several login purges, you participated in one
>> of them.  I remember chatting with you about it, discussing people to
>> remove, people not to remove and things like that.
>>
>>  The reasons for dormants removal discussed at the time included things like
>> 'empowerment for the current group' and general security.  The false
>> impression that there is a larger collective to answer to was deemed a
>> handicap for the organization, most specifically for new users.
>>
>>  Currently there are 5 users registered for access to the site, of with one
>> user hasn't logged one in the last 2 days.
>>
>>  I really was under the impression you weren't involved in the collective
>> anymore, and had chosen not to be involved.
>>
>>  It seems perfectly obvious to remove people from the password list as they
>> leave, just as I will be removed as wrap up my involvement and task-list by
>> the end of this year.
>>
>>  --Will
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Christian Roselund wrote:
>>  Why did you remove my log-in?
>>
>> During the years that I was actively maintaining the newswire at
>> NOLA-IMC, there were multiple log-ins that were inactive, sometimes
>> for years at a time. Are those still active?
>>
>> Did you remove my log-in for personal reasons? Is that also the
>> reason you have kept other inactive log-ins? And wouldn't the removal
>> of my log-in warrant an email notification at the minimum?
>>
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>
>> On 8/17/07, Will Kirchheimer <will.kirchheimer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  I think I need to clarify what I wrote:
>>
>>  "I was under the impression you left the collective, and removed your
>>  login and several weeks ago."
>>
>>  Should have another I in there:
>>
>>  "I was under the impression you left the collective, and I removed your
>>  login and several weeks ago."
>>
>>  -- Will
>>
>>
>>  Matthew Olson wrote:
>> i don't know. i've checked the wire today and nothing to put into local or
>> global. just lots of misc. essays.
>>
>>  --matt
>>
>>
>> On 8/17/07, Will Kirchheimer <will.kirchheimer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  I was under the impression you left the collective, and removed your
>> login and several weeks ago.
>>
>> The newswire was updated today, as most days.
>>
>> -- Will
>>
>> Christian Roselund wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Toups, Will, Matt,
>>
>> I just attempted to log in to NOLA-IMC to see who (if anyone) was
>> updating the newswire these days, and I found that my password is
>> incorrect- funny, because that 's the password I've been using since
>> at least the summer of 2003.
>>
>> Any suggestions as to what is going on? Thanks.
>>
>>
>> C
>>
>>
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> --
> Christian Roselund
> c.roselund at gmail.com
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