[imc-northern] [Fwd: great climate swoop exclusive?]

Tue Aug 4 10:37:16 PDT 2009

Yo all,

Just to say that if the answer is 'no, it's our story!' then that's fine.
It's a friendly request, and I really don't want to damage relations with
your wonderful collective.

solidarity,
richard

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:28 PM, protag <protag at phonecoop.coop> wrote:

> My two pennyworth:
>
> (random thoughts followed by conclusion: scroll to bottom if pressed for
> time)
>
> It's probably a diplomatic requirement viv-a-vis the relationship with The
> Observer to say that at least some effort had been made to preserve the
> "exclusive" status of the story, rather than just throwing up hands and
> saying...well...there was a bit of a cock-up.
>
> It's also warming to think that clicks on a new website might amount to a
> substantial threat to the exclusive status.
>
> Do we get any webstats?
>
> I haven't been involved in any of the Climate Swoop discussions so I don't
> know to what extent the crew at Unity day should have known the score, it's
> a pity they didn't explain what was required, if they knew.
>
> I'd be surpised if a story on Northern Indymedia could really prevent the
> Observer thing going smoothly, but...
>
> Also I agree with Jimdog re. precedents: on the level on conventional
> reporting, someone was there, got the story, and wrote it up. Looked at like
> that, requests to remove the story after the fact are, putting it very
> mildly...cheeky (I'm using Richard's word to avoid inflammation).
>
> But we're not conventional people. We're all in this together. I'd like to
> see more signs that Climate Camp media (and others) recognise that the
> problems we face include the fact that the straight press do not have our
> interests at heart* and will only accomodate us if they think it'll produce
> sales figures and advertising revenue. Trying to out-spin them will only
> produce temporary relief from the barrage of consumo-corporate bollocks**.
>
> {*I'm referring to ownership here, I'm sure there are many fine and decent
> journalists living out their own personal faustian pacts}
>
> {**I'm just paraphrasing Jimdog here, I now realise. No original thoughts
> in this noggin}
>
> But, y'know, if I'd wanted to have a say in Climate Camp Media policy I'm
> sure I could have invited myself to some meetings. In the end I left it to
> some other people, and they've got a line which they think is for the best,
> arrrived at, I'm sure, by a fair and open process.
>
> So on this ocassion I'd agree with removal of the story as per the request
>
> Agree about the letter too.
>
> Cheers
>
> Protag
>
>
>
>  hi all,
>>
>> we've had a request for moderation from richard on the climate camp media
>> team which i.ve forwarded below. Naturally i can't unilaterally make a
>> decision on it as it was posted as the northern indymedia group so
>> requires consensus.
>>
>>  Luckily, as the site is down for repair for much of today it gives us a
>> little time to agree an action. Can i ask that all replies cc richards
>> email address in so the decision making process is open and transparent
>> whilst also giving richard chance to respond if he is not already signed
>> up to our list.
>>
>> I have personal reservations about this as it is the second time we have
>> been asked to remove content by this group and i am worried about setting
>> a precedent, not to mention the need for solidarity as a movement whereby
>> this sort of content should, i believe, come to us first and the
>> mainstream media should begin to view us as their most reliable source,
>> benefiting all campaigns. Also, this article was specifically asked for by
>> the yorkshire neighbourhood who shared our tent at unity day last weekend,
>> and so it was at their request we published it.
>>
>> That said, it is important that we maintain good relations with the
>> climate camp media team and so i make the following proposal with a short
>> timeline for initial objections of 8pm this evening. If noone has objected
>> by then, i will hide it for the rest of the normal duration of 24hrs for
>> discussion to take place with it hidden as to whether it should remain so.
>> This seems to me to be the fairest yay of doing it, but feel free to raise
>> any concerns on this list.
>>
>> Proposal-
>> *that the article is hidden as requested until sunday.
>> *That a letter is written to the climate camp media team, to be signed off
>> as a collective, outlining our concerns should there be any
>> that this is used as a basis of open discussion with the climate camp
>> media team as to the relationship between imc northern [as distinct from
>> imc uk for which we are only one of many imc's] and themselves either
>> before or during this years camp.
>> *that this discussion includes how the use of the independent media
>> benefits the movement as a whole, therefore should be given at least an
>> equal and fair footing to the mainstream media, to which we have no
>> ownership or control, and which is one of the corporate entity's that the
>> movement recognises as one of the barriers to positive social and
>> environmental change.
>>
>> Thanks all, fingers crossed the site will be back online soon.
>>
>> In solidarity
>>
>> jimdog
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
>> Subject: great climate swoop exclusive?
>> From:    "Richard Braude" <richard.braude at googlemail.com>
>> Date:    Tue, August 4, 2009 8:17 am
>> To:      theinnercityhippy at riseup.net
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Hey Jimdog,
>>
>> Ws checking the sparkly new site, and saw this:
>> http://northern-indymedia.org/articles/55
>>
>> the Great Climate Swoop is hopefully getting a big up in the Observer this
>> weekend - but they're doing it under the guise of an 'exclusive'.
>> Would it be possible to take this article down for a few days to make sure
>> that the observer thing goes ahead smoothly?
>>
>> I know that's a bit cheeky,
>> cheers
>> richard
>>
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