[imc-northern] A Blanket Ban on Communists? was: Re: [imc-northern-moderation] Hidden groups

[James Kirkcaldy]

Well, my opinion is made and I don't intend to attend your meetings. Whether that means my opinion has no place in the decision making process, I leave up to those who are members of the 'face-to-face decision making group' who in no way what so ever, constitute a division nor a organisational tier, nor a hierarchy.

This aint to create conflict but rather to point out an irony that I take humor from.

--- On Mon, 17/8/09, Jim Dog <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net> wrote:

From: Jim Dog <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>
Subject: Re: [imc-northern] A Blanket Ban on Communists? was: Re: [imc-northern-moderation] Hidden groups
To: "IMC Northern England" <imc-northern at lists.indymedia.org>
Date: Monday, 17 August, 2009, 8:15 PM

Hi

As far as I'm aware, we as a group and me personally have nothing
against communists, socialists or the like but the guidelines are there
to stop political parties such as this using Indymedia as a campaigning
tool. If there was an "Anarchist party" that were actively engaged in
party politics and used the site to promote that cause, they would be
hidden in the same way for the same reason. The posts that have been
hidden have crossed that line, the ones that did not are still up.

If people are concerned about the guidelines then they really need to
come to the next meeting as they aren't to my knowledge something that
can be changed via email since we made a commitment to a project based
on face to face interaction. Do people think we are being less open and
fair than say the BBC or Guardian? Why can't people make positive
suggestions and comments rather than trying to create conflict. It isn't
very healthy when this is something that people are welcome to shape and
get involved in to make it how they want it to be. That has always been
the case so come along if you are unhappy, and that will benefit everyone.

Solidarity

JimDog*
James Kirkcaldy wrote:
> I re-worked the old strap-line to be more representative of where we are now "Indymedia; Become the media (as long as you think like us)"
> 
> --- On Mon, 17/8/09, James Kirkcaldy <jakirkcaldy at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> From: James Kirkcaldy <jakirkcaldy at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [imc-northern] A Blanket Ban on Communists? was: Re: [imc-northern-moderation] Hidden groups
> To: "IMC Northern England" <imc-northern at lists.indymedia.org>
> Date: Monday, 17 August, 2009, 7:57 PM
> 
> I believe you are going to have to review the terms 'hierarchy', 'organisation', ideology' etc. at your next northern-indymedia meeting. The guidelines are clearly too restrictive, biased and contradictory in application atm, due to the misunderstanding of these terms. This is of course my opinion....
> 
> --- On Mon, 17/8/09, anargeek <chris at anargeek.net> wrote:
> 
> From: anargeek <chris at anargeek.net>
> Subject: [imc-northern] A Blanket Ban on Communists? was: Re: [imc-northern-moderation] Hidden groups
> To: imc-northern-moderation at lists.indymedia.org
> Cc: imc-northern at lists.indymedia.org
> Date: Monday, 17 August, 2009, 7:40 PM
> 
> Hi
> 
> On Mon 17-Aug-2009 at 05:31:01PM +0100, Jim Dog
>  wrote:
>> I have hidden the groups for Rock against the Blockade and fight racism
>> fight imperialism as they quite openly state on their group page that
>> they are campaigns of the revolutionary communists and therefore breach
>> the heirarchy guideline in quite stunning fashion.
> 
> I don't agree with the site having a blanket ban on Communists, not
> least because of the existance of libertarian communists such as
> libcom.org.
> 
> If only some communists are to be banned how are you going to
> distinguish them?
> 
> How are the editorial guidelines going to make it clear that Socialism
> and Communism are banned topics and that groups advocating Socialism or
> Communism are also not allowed to post to the site? 
> 
> Will this ban also apply to individuals who advocate Socialism or
> Communism? 
> 
> Chris
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