[imc-northern] [New-imc] Sheffield Indymedia'sNew IMC Application and the Disputed Wiki Pages

Wed Apr 6 08:29:42 PDT 2011

Thanks

AFAIK the collective position is as per this email, unless it's changed
sometime and I haven't noticed:

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2011-January/0122-lv.html

"We are writing as a collective... [snippity snip]
To be clear, we are not intending to block this application..."

Cheers

Ptg 

On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:23:27 +0100 (BST), James Kirkcaldy
<jakirkcaldy at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi protag.
> 
> Check out nab's email. I paste the relevant bits below.
> 
>> please remove all references to our collective and northern will make
>> sure
>>> we make no references to you or your collective (apart form
referencing
>>> indymedia articles e.t.c), this includes future emails, comments, e.g.
>> so
>>> we all play nice.
>>> 
>>> I dispute what chris has posted but unless forced to I don't really
> want
>>> to go into it.  Northern England would most certainly block any
>> application
>>> from sheffield with the wiki still intact.
>>> 
>>> nab"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: protag <protag at aktivix.org>
> To: IMC Northern England <imc-northern at lists.indymedia.org>
> Sent: Wed, 6 April, 2011 16:06:14
> Subject: Re: [imc-northern] [New-imc] Sheffield Indymedia'sNew IMC
> Application 
> and the	Disputed Wiki Pages
> 
> 
> Hi James
> 
> I think I've read the whole thread but I must be missing something.
Where
> is the threat proposed which you find petty and childish?
> 
> Ptg
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 15:42:18 +0100 (BST), James Kirkcaldy
> <jakirkcaldy at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Personally I don't think their application should be blocked even if
the
>> wiki 
>> remains. TBH it seems petty and childish to make that threat. I think
it
>> would 
>> be better to just let them go through the process and to stay out of
it.
> I
>> would 
>> be willing to put my previous stated reservations aside to attend a
>> meeting and 
>> to block the block proposal; that's if I know in which meeting you
> intend
>> to put 
>> such a proposal forward. 
>> 
>> 
>> jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: JimDog <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>
>> To: protag <protag at aktivix.org>; IMC Northern England 
>> <imc-northern at lists.indymedia.org>
>> Sent: Wed, 6 April, 2011 10:35:48
>> Subject: Re: [imc-northern] [New-imc] Sheffield Indymedia'sNew IMC
>> Application 
>> and the    Disputed Wiki Pages
>> 
>> Hey
>> 
>> Looks good to me. I think we need to point out that the new imc list is
> a 
>> working list and not just a battleground extension for imcistas from
the
>> UK.
>> 
>> I was ignoring mails like that as I am on that list as a volunteer to a
>> global 
>> working group, in order to help new imc's form (currently working with
> imc 
>> siberia which is dead exciting).
>> 
>> I did worry that something like this would happen when a load of UK
folk
>> started 
>> subscribing to that list without any obvious intention of volunteering.
>> Can I 
>> suggest we add a sentence along the lines of:
>> 
>> "This is the list of a global IMC working group and so we feel it is
>> unsuitable 
>> for this kind of communication. Can we request that those not actively 
>> participating in the process of new-imc kindly unsubscribe from this
> list
>> and 
>> communicate through their liaison if one has come forward, and if not
>> allow the 
>> working group to discuss the application so a volunteer to take on this
>> role can 
>> be identified. From that stage, discussion can take place on local
lists
>> unless 
>> directly relevant to the work of new-imc."
>> 
>> http://northern-indymedia.org
>> 
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "protag" <protag at aktivix.org>
>> Date: Wed, Apr 6, 2011 09:59
>> Subject: [imc-northern] [New-imc] Sheffield Indymedia'sNew IMC
> Application
>> and 
>> the    Disputed Wiki Pages
>> To: "IMC Northern England" <imc-northern at lists.indymedia.org>
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Nikolai
>> 
>> I saw those wierd emails on New IMC  - and thanks for having a go at
>> sorting this out, by the way - and considered for a moment, saying
>> something about it...
>> 
>> But really it's just craziness isn't it, and obviously so?
>> 
>> I remain of the view that the best use I can make of my time with this
>> project is to do the local unglamorous stuff without which the wider
>> project has no foundation.
>> 
>> I think your proposed email to New IMC is fine and I'm not against it
>> being sent, but I don't think it'll do much good. Once someone becomes
>> fixated on a false idea anyone speaking against it, however calmly,
just
>> gets added to the shit-list. And periodically people become actually
>> infuriated - which is regretable not least because it seems like a
> likely
>> intention of the fixated people to produce this reaction, among others.
>> 
>> Hey ho.
>> 
>> Ptg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 08:44:29 +0000, nab at aktivix.org wrote:
>>> Quoting Chris <chrisc at indymedia.org>:
>>> 
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Myself and a number of other UK Indymedia activists have
>>>> endured numerous unsubstantiated public attacks and
>>>> personal abuse over the last few years from a number of
>>>> Northern Indymedia activists.
>>> 
>>> Hey,
>>> 
>>> We planning on sending this to new imc, is it a bad plan?
>>> 
>>> Hi Chris and new imc,
>>> 
>>> I am not sure the global list is the best place to do this.  I
>> understand
>>> that you have some issues with some members of Northern (the imc I am
>> part
>>> of) and they have some issues with you.  I made this offer in private
> to
>>> you a while ago and will make it publicly now:
>>> 
>>> please remove all references to our collective and northern will make
>> sure
>>> we make no references to you or your collective (apart form
referencing
>>> indymedia articles e.t.c), this includes future emails, comments, e.g.
>> so
>>> we all play nice.
>>> 
>>> I dispute what chris has posted but unless forced to I don't really
> want
>>> to go into it.  Northern England would most certainly block any
>> application
>>> from sheffield with the wiki still intact.
>>> 
>>> nab
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