[IMC-NYC-Editorial] Re: editorial policy
chanders_imc at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 16 19:41:19 PDT 2004
interesting, if not enlightening:
i think there are 4t ypes of trolls on our site:
the occasional right wing visitor
the occasional college kid / immature asshole
organized collectives (mc cains army / the imclf)
people like the dude above
i think we're seeing an increase in the later two post rnc ... which, as josh b pointed out, means that these are people most likely not to be as affected by delays as our regular users. i dont really even consider poster type a "troll" and am more likely than not to leave their posts up.
re: logins. i thought i heard spud mention that the next version of dada will only let you have a "username" with a verified email address. this is a drastic change, but i think it is a good one. there can still be anonymous posting but you will only be able to call yourself "anonymous." any idea on when this will be ready?
i'd also say that there is no troll magic bullet. the nature of the internet and all that ... anonymous, decentralized, etc. you get the idea.
but an additonal cadre of people will surely help. honestly, i can tell a huge difference already with 4 people doing it instead of 2. and for what its worth, we're way, way ahead of our post f-15 perfomance when it comes to the troll problem. :) i'll be at the print meeting on tuesday and will put this on the agenda.
Joshua Breitbart <breitbart at indymedia.org> wrote:
I think the current editorial policy could use a little tweaking, but is still
fairly solid. Perhaps its presentation could be changed, to have more bullet
points. More documentation (including incident reports and troll tracking)
beyond the policy would be really helpful, perhaps through wiki pages. (Perhaps
the wiki should be password-protected, though.)
As for the other changes, my first thought is that any troll/spam-fighting
measures should be implemented one at a time. Every measure can be countered,
so I think that will prolong their combined effect. A lengthy battle of
attrition will probably be more successful than a sudden onslaught.
Additionally, I think we need a means of judging each measure's individual
I am not very confident in either of the proposed measures (login or delay). The
current batch of trolls have shown themselves to be more patient and more savvy
with our site than the average user. I think both will do much more to deter
regular users. Are there any Indymedia sites that have used those measures with
success? I am willing to try the login measure if there is no other step we can
I still think being able to block (or even search within the editorial
interface) for word strings would be the best measure to start with. Houston
IMC has had success with this new feature of SF Active.
The second feature I would like to see is the mark-as-deleted-with-one-click
feature. Right now it takes an unwieldy three clicks.
Are any of the four proposed measures technically feasible?
The major thing we need to do is recruit and train at least 10 more people to
moderate the site. I think they're there, mostly on the print team, we're just
not sitting down with them and showing how to delete the bullshit clogging our
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