[imc-oxford-features] [IMC-Process] Proposal: IMC Oxford

penguin penguin at riseup.net
Sat Oct 29 05:14:03 PDT 2011 

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Hello

I've not heard back from my email. I had a look through the Linksunten
archive, and it looked to me that Linksunten were raising a concern, but
not blocking Oxford IMC application. Is this correct?

If so, I hope the replies so far assure Linksunten that we are aware of
their concern, and take it seriously. But also that we are very
confident that we can manage the concern, and it will not have any
impact on the wider global IMC network.

Perhaps Linksunten could say if they are OK with Oxford's application. I
suggest a 7 day deadline for this, but would be happy for a later
deadline if Linksunten feel they need more time. Please say so if this
is the case.

If Linksunten are happy with the application, what is teh process form
there? Does Oxford need to resubmit our application, or can we take it
as passed since there were no other issues raised within the imc-process
7 day deadline.

Many thanks

G


On Sun 23 Oct 2011 11:26:14 BST, penguin [penguin at riseup.net] emailed
subject: "Re: [imc-oxford-features] [IMC-Process] Proposal: IMC Oxford"
saying ...

> --------------------------[EN]------------------------------
> (Sorry. I do not speak German. The translations is done by machine.)
> 
> Hello
> 
> I'm Graham, the contact for Oxford's IMC application.
> 
> I am happy to work with JimDog and Linksunten IMC to address concerns
> about Oxford's application.
> 
> I cannot address the concerns about Mayday. As Jimdog said, Oxford has
> always remained neutral in the UK disagreements. We published a
> statement here:
> https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/oxford/2011/05/479419.html
> 
> On the concerns about Oxford ...
> 
> JimDog said:
>> they have demonstrated well that the collective can handle this
>> apparent conflict of interest well through their regular face to face 
>> meetings and positive attitude to the work that they do in their 
>> community.
> I agree with this.
> 
> Also, Oxford is developing a new website that will be completely
> independent from Mir.
> 
> I believe that Oxford IMC will be totally independent from Mayday. This
> independence includes:
> # Meetings & decision making
> # Editorial guidelines
> # Mission statement
> # Technology
> 
> I hope this address Linksunten IMC's concerns about Oxford's applications.
> 
> If there are any other questions, please let m eknow and I will try to
> answer them.
> 
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> G
> 
> 
> --------------------------[DE]------------------------------
> (Sorry. Ich spreche kein Deutsch. Die Übersetzungen von Maschinen
> durchgeführt wird.)
> 
> Hallo
> 
> Ich bin Graham, der Ansprechpartner für Oxford IMC Anwendung.
> 
> Ich bin glücklich, mit JimDog und linksunten IMC arbeiten, um Bedenken
> hinsichtlich der Oxford Anwendung kommen sollen.
> 
> Ich kann nicht den Bedenken hinsichtlich der Mayday. Als Jimdog sagte,
> hat Oxford immer neutral geblieben in der britischen
> Meinungsverschiedenheiten. Wir veröffentlichten eine Erklärung hier:
> https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/oxford/2011/05/479419.html
> 
> Auf die Bedenken Oxford ...
> 
> JimDog sagte:
>> Haben sie auch, dass die kollektive kann damit umgehen gezeigt
>> Scheinbarer Interessenkonflikt auch durch ihre regelmäßigen face to face
>> Tagungen und positive Einstellung zur Arbeit, dass sie in ihrer
>> Community.
> Ich stimme mit dieser.
> 
> Außerdem ist Oxford der Entwicklung einer neuen Website, die völlig
> unabhängig werden von Mir.
> 
> Ich glaube, dass Oxford IMC wird völlig unabhängig von Mayday. Diese
> Unabhängigkeit umfasst:
> # Meetings & Entscheidungsfindung
> # Redaktionelle Richtlinien
> # Leitbild
> # Technologie
> 
> Ich hoffe, dass diese Adresse linksunten IMC Bedenken über
> Oxford-Anwendungen.
> 
> Wenn es irgendwelche Fragen gibt, bitten wir m eknow und ich werde
> versuchen sie zu beantworten.
> 
> vielen Dank
> 
> G
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri 21 Oct 2011 17:11:51 BST, JimDog [theinnercityhippy at riseup.net]
> emailed subject: "Re: [imc-oxford-features][IMC-Process] Proposal: IMC
> Oxford" saying ...
> 
>> Hello
> 
>> I am moving this thread to imc-communication whilst a resolution is reached. Apologies for the lack of translation due to my personal time restraints. If there is a multilingual member of these lists who could assist, that would be much appreciated.
> 
>> I am the member of the new-imc working group that has been assisting imc oxford with their application. I am also a former member of a recognised IMC collective, IMC Northern.
> 
>> Although it is true that the division in the UK that lead to the loss of collective control of the IMC UK site by IMC collectives in the UK remains unresolved, and appears unlikely to ever be so in a manner satisfactory to all parties, IMC Oxford has always stated their desire to remain neutral in this dispute, and their actions have admirably demonstrated this.
> 
>> They have passed the new-imc stage of the application process without hindrance, and fulfil all of the criteria required by the process.
> 
>> Whilst it is true that one of their members is also a member of the 'mayday' collective that have had all access to imc resources withdrawn, it is my belief that they have demonstrated well that the collective can handle this apparent conflict of interest well through their regular face to face meetings and positive attitude to the work that they do in their community. It seems that the best course of action to hopefully steer towards a positive outcome of the UK situation is that groups such as IMC Oxford, focusing on the needs of their community, continue to build bridges and set an example to us all about how a good IMC should work in practise. 
> 
>> In light of this, their desire to work closely with someone at the centre of recent negative events should be a decision that we trust their judgement on in my opinion, since they have shown themselves capable as a group of maintaining a neutral position and focusing on the important work that they do.
> 
>> I am unaware of any objection to this application that would come from any of the existing IMC member collectives in the UK, and many of us have worked closely and in a positive manner with various members of IMC Oxford for many years.
> 
>> The original application seems to have been held in moderation on imc process due to lack of translation for the covering letter. This was my fault since I have been too busy of late to follow it up.
> 
>> I would like to help resolve this objection with IMC Linksunten resubmit this application to imc-process as soon as is practicable. If both parties are willing, this could happen either in private or on the imc-communication or resolve lists and we can hopefully reach a common position.
> 
>> In solidarity
> 
>> JimDog
>> (new-imc working group)
> 
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Bartolomeo" <bartolomeo at indymedia.org>
>> Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2011 14:59
>> Subject: [IMC-Process] Proposal: IMC Oxford
>> To: <imc-process at lists.indymedia.org>
>> Cc: <imc-oxford-features at lists.indymedia.org>, <imc-linksunten at lists.indymedia.org>
> 
> 
>> [DE]
> 
>> Liebe Indy Community,
> 
>> wir sehen die Bewerbung von Indy Oxford mit großer Sorge, denn ein Mitglied 
>> der Mayday Gruppe ist Mitglied bei Indy Oxford. Jegliches Restvertrauen zur 
>> Mayday Gruppe wurde durch den Diebstahl der Domain indymedia.org.uk zerstört, 
>> denn die Mitglieder der Gruppe haben damit kollektiven Besitz in ihren 
>> Privatbesitz verwandelt. 
> 
>> Noch immer ist auf der Startseite der meisten Indymedia Websites ein Link zu 
>> uk.indymedia.org, der auf die gestohlene Domain indymedia.org.uk umleitet. Wir 
>> fordern diejenigen, die die Passwörter zur Änderung der Cities List haben, 
>> nochmals auf, diesen Link endlich zu entfernen. Weiter fordern wir die DNS 
>> working group auf, den DNS-Eintrag von uk.indymedia.org endlich auf das Archiv 
>> der Indy UK-Seite zu setzen oder den Eintrag zu löschen. 
> 
>> Der Entzug aller Indymedia-Ressourcen für die Mayday Gruppe wegen ihres 
>> Vertrauensbruchs wurde bereits vor Monaten auf dieser Liste beschlossen. Die 
>> Nichtumsetzung stellt einen Machtmissbrauch und damit ebenfalls einen 
>> Vertrauensbruch dar. Selbstverständlich sind die Techies Teil von Indymedia 
>> und können darüber die Politik mitbestimmen. Wenn aber eine Entscheidung vom 
>> gesamten Netzwerk gefällt wurde, müssen sich alle daran halten - auch die 
>> Techies. Wenn Techies meinen, die Politik des Indymedia-Netzwerks über die 
>> ihnen geliehene Macht bestimmen zu wollen, dann sollten sie das Netzwerk 
>> verlassen.
> 
>> Mit solidarischen Grüßen,
> 
>> IMC linksunten
> 
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
>> [EN]
> 
>> Dear Indy Community,
> 
>> we see Indy Oxford's application with great concern as one member of the 
>> Mayday group is also a member of Indy Oxford. We have no more confidence in the 
>> Mayday group because they have stolen the domain indymedia.org.uk and turned 
>> collective property into private one.
> 
>> There is still a link to uk.indymedia.org on the front page of most Indymedia 
>> websites which redirects to the stolen domain indymedia.org.uk. Once again we 
>> ask those who know the passwords to change the cities list to finally remove 
>> the link. Furthermore, we ask the DNS working group to change the DNS record 
>> of uk.indymedia.org to point to the archive of the UK Indy site or remove the 
>> record completely.
> 
>> The withdrawal of all Indymedia resources from the Mayday group as a 
>> consequence of their breach of confidence was decided upon on this list months 
>> ago. The lack of implementation is an abuse of power and thus a breach of 
>> confidence, too. Of course, the techies are part of Indymedia and can influence 
>> the politics of the network this way. But if a decision is taken by the whole 
>> network then everyone must stick to - the techies, too. If the techies try to 
>> dictate the politics of the Indymedia network through technical power which 
>> was lent to them by the network then they should leave the network.
> 
>> Solidarity,
> 
>> IMC linksunten
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