[Imc-pl-torun] [Imc-hungary] (en) confusion: Re: [Imc-pl-red] URGENT Visegrad Appeal

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hi!

boud. this guy is part of IMC Hungary, although most of us don't like him.  
lunatic, reformist and megalomaniac if you ask me. :f please give me  
another day to read through the material and reply in more detail.

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On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:28:59 +0100, boud <boud w riseup.net> wrote:

> hi imc-hungary,
>
> (pl) Pytam do imc węgier czy mogliby trochę wyjaśnić o dziwnej listy od
> tzw ,,ciwilnego forum" z neoliberałów w węgrzach...
>
> (en)
> On imc-pl we have received a strange email:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-pl/2006-October/1031-u2.html
>
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Kardos Gabor wrote:
>
>> Dear Bratanki,
>>
>> Please find hereby attached the text of our Visegrád Appeal with a  
>> Polish
>> and English translation, as well as the founding declaration of our
>> Hungarian Civil Forum in English. Would you please consider which well  
>> known
>> personnalities could join
>> and sign this Visegrád Appeal in your country and where we should  
>> publish
>> it, as you know the situation in Poland much better.
>   ...
>
>> We have sent this message to Daniel Olbrychski, who would forward it to
>> Andrzej Wajda and Adam Michnik.
>>
>> The situation is very bad in Hungary, we need your solidarity now!
>   ...
>
>> VISEGRÁD APPEAL
>>
>> to our Polish, Czech, and Slovak friends
>>
>> for holding a Visegrád Summit to evaluate the present situation,
>> for establishing a Central European Civil Forum and
>> for re-launching the Radio Free Europe
>
>
> This email sounds like it's from neoliberals who want to promote
> "polyarchy" in our region rather than grassroots, participatory democracy
> (e.g. see "Promoting polyarchy in Serbia"
> http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=74&ItemID=11295 )
>
> The person writing the appeal seems to support adam m. - a fellow
> whose newspaper has been involved in supporting the crimes against
> humanity in Iraq - 600,000 "excess violent deaths" over the past three
> years due to the invasion/occupation - this is mass murder on a
> horrific scale. Nothing like this level of mass murder has happened
> inside of Poland/Hungary territory during the last few years, so this
> fellow has his hands pretty dirty. AFAIK fascists have killed a few
> dozen people in Poland in the last few years, and the EU governments
> have killed about 2000 people on EU borders (so-called "immigrants"),
> but not half a million (not since many decades ago).
>
> The next strange thing is talking about recreating Radio Free
> Europe. i don't think many independent people would support extra USA
> state propaganda here. That's rather opposed to what indymedia is all
> about.
>
> But here is my confusion:
>
> You (imc hungary) have centre column features, one to do with the
> "Civil Forum" and one signed by the person sending the email - kardos
> gabor:
>
> civil forum (i can't tell if this is supporting or critical of the
> civil forum - i can't read finno-hungarian :P)
> http://hungary.indymedia.org/cikk.shtml?x=32802
>
> kardos gabor (seems to be an antirepression article)
> http://hungary.indymedia.org/cikk.shtml?x=32798
>
> i don't know how you select centre column articles - so maybe this is
> where the confusion comes in. In imc poland, people must discuss on
> a mailing list to decide on centre column articles, but i know that some
> imc's have a more decentralised method, so if neoliberals become active,
> it's possible for them to put articles in the centre column if nobody
> else reacts (this depends on the decision-making method).
>
> So i guess my questions are:
>
> * do you know this kardos fellow?
>
> * could you explain something about how you select centre column
> articles?
>
> * and could you say something about these two particular articles?
>
> Thanks.
>
> confused
> boud



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