[IMC-Process] imc palestine

Tue Feb 22 18:47:33 PST 2005

As one of the moderators,

can i please please ask to follow this discussion on imc-communication 
and _NOT_ here,

especially if people are not making the effort of writing in real simple 
english with no summary or translation.

Thanks

melpomene wrote:

>hi,
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>On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 07:09, sing and dance wrote:
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>>well.....i'm not sure what list to post this to....
>>but i'm wondering about palestine indymedia
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>came on process - it is a bit confusing that it comes from an @indymedia
>mail - i made a long explanatory response before realising that .. .
>writing what I am sure that jenka knows already :-) having spent energy
>doing that - here you go:
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>>i noticed the link to
>>palestine.indymedia
>>jerusalem.indymedia
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>>now point back to the global site
>>i know some of the saga of palestine indymedia
>>and don't know that it is healthy right now to try to revamp it
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>>but wondering if the site 
>>palestine.indymedia
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>>could point instead to 
>>http://www.imemc.org
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>>where should i go with this? new-imc? or here?
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>this should, perhaps, go to new-imc....
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>so herewith a response from the perspective of one volunteer and open to
>questions, objections, and corrections by anyone on newimc and
>imc-process:
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>In case you didn't know:
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>Indymedia is a volunteer network that uses primarily Free/Libre Open
>Source Software (www.fsf.org/philosophy/) for its websites as a matter
>of principle. Another principle is to have Open Publishing:
>http://portland.indymedia.org/en/static/openpub.shtml
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>Read particularly:
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/PrinciplesOfUnity
>and
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/ImcWomyn
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>Find more at:
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImc
>and ask questions online:
>http://chat.indymedia.org/?chans=newimc
>or:
>irc.indymedia.org - ssl/994 - #newimc
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Sysadmin/IrcHowTo
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/AustriaSecureIrcHowTo
>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/EhAktakAsanbladaChatXchatSSL
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>I am sure that IMEMC does a good job and the site looks really good, but
>it does not look like its current setup is compatible with the Indymedia
>philosophy, which prioritises its internal architecture of organisation
>over its external appearance as a media outlet. Self-organisation,
>voluntary input, no commercial ads or links, gender balance etc etc. are
>some of the characteristics of indymedia. decisions are also made by
>consensus --to the best of everyone's abilities :-)
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>If you want to better understand the reason for Indymedia's choice to
>consider its means so directly relative to its ends -or why Indymedia
>does not "believe" that the end (whatever that could be?!) can justify
>the means, have a look here:
>http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/07/1814.shtml
>or in the words of some of the learned people, who learn more by
>observing social movements:
>http://130.209.26.101/Online_Papers/proutledge001.pdf
>http://taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/index/VGRQKLQVPJA72GKY.pdf
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>>the international middle east media center, an effort by a group of 40
>>palestinian journalists (non-profit) to keep up daily, consistent
>>reports from palestine.
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>There is a clear conflict of interest between IMEMC and Indymedia, which
>can be identified here:
>http://www.imemc.org/mission_statement.html
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>where it reads:
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>"In cooperation with FOJO, IMEMC is training and developing local
>journalists in international news standards and employing them with the
>organization following training, such that they can more freely publish
>and syndicate their work to a global audience."
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>....Q: Does IMEMC employ people? - if so, how does IMEMC generate an
>income to pay wages?
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>and on http://www.world-newspapers.com/palestine.html it reads: 
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>"International Middle East Media Center (IMEMC)
>Liberal online news source dedicated to the coverage of the Israel /
>Palestine conflict."
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>......Indymedia is not exactly Liberal and does not affiliate with
>political parties, see for example:
>http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/static/mission.html:
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>...""The Indymedia UK website provides an interactive platform for
>reports from the struggles for a world based on freedom, cooperation,
>justice and solidarity, and against environmental degradation,
>neoliberal exploitation, racism and patriarchy. The reports cover a wide
>range of issues and social movements - from neighbourhood campaigns to
>grassroots mobilisations, from critical analysis to direct action.
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>Inherent in the mainstream corporate media is a strong bias towards
>Capitalism's power structures, and it is an important tool in
>propagating these structures around the globe. While the mainstream
>media conceal their manifold biases and alignments, we clearly state our
>position. Indymedia UK does not attempt to take an objective and
>impartial standpoint: Indymedia UK clearly states its subjectivity.""...
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>>i've been working with them for three months now in palestine, they've
>>been working on this site for the last two years.
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>It may be entirely possible that IMEMC and Indymedia share certain
>levels of ethos in terms of what ought to be "reported on" - and it
>could be that some relations could be built on in various ways - who
>knows?!? 
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>in solidarity,
>ciao,
>mp
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>>thanks
>>love
>>jenka
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