[imc-scotland-discussion] nazi comments hidden

[Jon]

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We were having fun ridiculing them... someone posted a 'follow your
leader' comment with a picture of hitler shooting himself - i dont think
that the position of indymedia is in question to outsiders!

Anyway I dont feel too strongly about it, i wont be unhappy if all the
nazi comments get hidden, i was just one of the anti-fascists who were
having fun taking the piss out of them and slagging them off.

Jon


Anarcho Babe wrote:
> Well, sorry if the last sentence came over wrong - what I mean to say is
> that because in Britain the BNP and NF and in general the rascist groups
> are actually very lame in comparison to Europe it actually makes it
> possible for you to discuss with them without getting killed, unlike
> e.g. in Eastern Europe, where you are much more likely to get hurt.
> 
> Personally I am really happy that there isn't such an escalated
> situation yet in Britain as is on the continent. I do think only people
> in Britain and the US are actually so liberally minded as to give these
> rascists a platform for their ideas, because of the free speech philosophy.
> 
> Somehow it doesn't make any sense to me that someone would oppose these
> guys having a stall in Glasgow pedestrian zone and at the same time
> allow their comments on our indymedia site. If you want to research
> their way of discussion, there are enough books, films, videos, academic
> publications and even websites available where you can inform yourself
> without bringing a whole collective in disrepute.
> 
> We also have got a lot of mainstream people coming over from the
> Edinburgh Evening News now for the mung bean controversy, how would it
> look to any new readers if we allow rascist and BNP comments on the
> site? What impresion would that make to ethnic minorities, who are very
> disinvolved in any autonomist/anarchist politics anyways?
> 
> 
> Ulla
> 
> 
> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:33:51 +0100, Jon <thelandisours at riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> I was one of the people who stole the newspapers off the fash the other
> day, and I hold a no-platform position. I did this because some people
> dont know what the BNP are like, and might be taken in by their bullshit
> propaganda about 'freedom' etc. I helped take their platform away in
> glasgow on saturday, to help ensure they didn't gain influence.
> 
> However, Indymedia is used and run by people who are not decieved by the
> BNP's crappy propaganda in our comments section, and I think some of us
> are enjoying slagging them off, and hearing what their crazy ideas are:
> Indymedia is therefore  not a platform for their ideas, since they have
> and will gain no influence here.
> 
> But I would definitely advocate hiding their articles, if they posted
> any, since they are just trash and would make our site look very bad.
> Comments are not so important in my opinion. I would certainly hide the
> comments that are abusive.
> 
> And please don't tell me to go to Russia to get killed by fascists, that
> is uncalled for.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> Anarcho Babe wrote:
>>>> Personally I am not interested in having nazi bullshit on the site. Its
>>>> not a free speech site, but an activist site.
>>>> Why should we leave that crazy shit to fill up precious server space? It
>>>> only encourages trolling and its an open invitation to get problems to
>>>> our site which we haven't yet.
>>>>
>>>> I have been hiding bloody nazi comments for about six, seven years by
>>>> now, and am sick of it.
>>>> At the start of indy Uk we couldn't hide them quick enough and that's
>>>> one of the reasons why we continue to have these problems. I remember
>>>> having to stay up for three hours just to delete 10 nazi postings, let
>>>> alone comments.
>>>> Now, we did not have the problems on Indymedia Scotland and it is stupid
>>>> to artificially make these.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You don't discuss with them, you don't give them any platform and there
>>>> is an advantage to avoid them.
>>>> Please Jon, go to Russia and get killed by the fascists if you want to
>>>> discuss further with them.  Or generally to Eastern Europe to be beaten
>>>> up by them.
>>>>
>>>> There is no platform for these people on our website.
>>>> Ulla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:39:37 +0100, Jon <thelandisours at riseup.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i think it is interesting to chat with these crazy people!
>>>>
>>>> perhaps we can leave some of ones which are not "im white and you piss
>>>> drinking jews should fuck off"? some of them have (bad)arguments and
>>>> information which are an interesting insight into their thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> Jon
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