[imc-scotland-discussion] nazi comments hidden

[Anarcho Babe]

Well, sorry if the last sentence came over wrong - what I mean to say is  
that because in Britain the BNP and NF and in general the rascist groups  
are actually very lame in comparison to Europe it actually makes it  
possible for you to discuss with them without getting killed, unlike e.g.  
in Eastern Europe, where you are much more likely to get hurt.

Personally I am really happy that there isn't such an escalated situation  
yet in Britain as is on the continent. I do think only people in Britain  
and the US are actually so liberally minded as to give these rascists a  
platform for their ideas, because of the free speech philosophy.

Somehow it doesn't make any sense to me that someone would oppose these  
guys having a stall in Glasgow pedestrian zone and at the same time allow  
their comments on our indymedia site. If you want to research their way of  
discussion, there are enough books, films, videos, academic publications  
and even websites available where you can inform yourself without bringing  
a whole collective in disrepute.

We also have got a lot of mainstream people coming over from the Edinburgh  
Evening News now for the mung bean controversy, how would it look to any  
new readers if we allow rascist and BNP comments on the site? What  
impresion would that make to ethnic minorities, who are very disinvolved  
in any autonomist/anarchist politics anyways?


Ulla


On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:33:51 +0100, Jon <thelandisours at riseup.net> wrote:

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> I was one of the people who stole the newspapers off the fash the other
> day, and I hold a no-platform position. I did this because some people
> dont know what the BNP are like, and might be taken in by their bullshit
> propaganda about 'freedom' etc. I helped take their platform away in
> glasgow on saturday, to help ensure they didn't gain influence.
>
> However, Indymedia is used and run by people who are not decieved by the
> BNP's crappy propaganda in our comments section, and I think some of us
> are enjoying slagging them off, and hearing what their crazy ideas are:
> Indymedia is therefore  not a platform for their ideas, since they have
> and will gain no influence here.
>
> But I would definitely advocate hiding their articles, if they posted
> any, since they are just trash and would make our site look very bad.
> Comments are not so important in my opinion. I would certainly hide the
> comments that are abusive.
>
> And please don't tell me to go to Russia to get killed by fascists, that
> is uncalled for.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> Anarcho Babe wrote:
>> Personally I am not interested in having nazi bullshit on the site. Its
>> not a free speech site, but an activist site.
>> Why should we leave that crazy shit to fill up precious server space? It
>> only encourages trolling and its an open invitation to get problems to
>> our site which we haven't yet.
>>
>> I have been hiding bloody nazi comments for about six, seven years by
>> now, and am sick of it.
>> At the start of indy Uk we couldn't hide them quick enough and that's
>> one of the reasons why we continue to have these problems. I remember
>> having to stay up for three hours just to delete 10 nazi postings, let
>> alone comments.
>> Now, we did not have the problems on Indymedia Scotland and it is stupid
>> to artificially make these.
>>
>>
>> You don't discuss with them, you don't give them any platform and there
>> is an advantage to avoid them.
>> Please Jon, go to Russia and get killed by the fascists if you want to
>> discuss further with them.  Or generally to Eastern Europe to be beaten
>> up by them.
>>
>> There is no platform for these people on our website.
>> Ulla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:39:37 +0100, Jon <thelandisours at riseup.net>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> i think it is interesting to chat with these crazy people!
>>
>> perhaps we can leave some of ones which are not "im white and you piss
>> drinking jews should fuck off"? some of them have (bad)arguments and
>> information which are an interesting insight into their thoughts.
>>
>> Jon
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