[imc-sheffield] UK Indymedia agrees to Fork on or before 1st May 2011

[anargeek]

Hi

At the UK Indymedia Network meeting yesterday in Bradford
there was an agreement to fork the UK Indymedia project on
or before the 1st May 2011. Neither of the two new
projects would use the name UK in them, both new projects
would need to go through the global New IMC process.

I read this text out at the meeting:

  We are a group of long term Indymedia activists who have
  been helping run and maintain the UK Indymedia site for
  many years, we include activists from Wales, Scotland
  and England.

  Indymedia UK covers global topics and parts of the UK
  not covered by other IMC sites in the UK, via the open
  newswire and we support this and want to continue doing
  this.

  Disputes in the UK Network around the approach to
  controversial issues have crystallized into two
  approaches for dealing with them. We believe that the
  use of critical thinking, reason and evidence based
  research and source checking is the best approach,
  rather than simply censoring these topics.

  Our aim is to maintain an open channel for information
  in a world where the ruling class controls the main
  flows of information via the corporate media, public
  relations companies and the like.

  One aspect of the open publishing model, which was not
  foreseen, was the extent to which it could be used and
  abused for the purposes of disinformation. Our approach
  to this is not to close down open publishing but to take
  active steps to remove disinformation and expose the
  tactics and politics of those behind it.

  Indymedia is not only a journal of the revolution, it is
  part of the terrain that the Empire's information war is
  being fought across.

  With the convergence of the crises, which gravely
  threaten the existence of life on earth, climate change,
  Peak Oil, resource depletion, Imperial wars, Fascism,
  ecological and economic collapse and starvation, a
  radical alternative future is urgently needed, now more
  than ever. We want to help to enable humanity steer a
  course to a future of co-operation, peace,
  sustainability, equality, autonomy and non-hierarchical
  community.

  We are committed to non-hierarchical, consensus based
  decision making. We wish to go through the New IMC
  process in order that we can be globally recognised as
  an autonomous collective, with our own independent site,
  UK Indymedia, http://www.indymedia.org.uk/.

  The UK Indymedia sites is, and has for many years, been
  well used by activists both nationally and
  internationally, to circulate reports, news, analysis,
  media and information that the corporate media doesn't
  cover. People know where to find UK Indymedia, it's at
  www.indymedia.org.uk, we hold with Tim Berners-Lee, that
  "Cool URI's don't change" and believe the UK Indymedia
  site should remain on its current domains,
  indymedia.org.uk, www.indymedia.org.uk and
  uk.indymedia.org. We wish to be listed in the cities
  list as simply uk, rather than united kingdom. We think
  the UK Network should have it's own entry in the cities
  list. We wish to remain in and participate in the UK
  Network as a peer of the other collectives.

  We are open and welcoming to new and existing activists
  who wish to join our collective on the basis on which it
  was founded.

  Our Mission Statment and Editorial Guidelines only
  differ from the existing UK Indymedia ones in so far as
  references to "United Kollectives" have been replaced
  with references to "UK Indymedia".

  When we fully gain our autonomy we wish to roll out long
  developed improvements to the UK Indymedia site. 

  https://docs.indymedia.org/Local/UkCollectiveNewImcApplication#Draft_possible_additions

Before the end of the meeting the New IMC application for
UK IMC was withdrawn:

- http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2010-December/1211-lk.html

The two new projects are being described as
a.indymedia.org and b.indymedia.org while the new names
are sorted out. I'm with a.

Following are the notes from the meeting and also attached
is an image about things that need to be sorted -- things
circled in red are being sorted on the imc-uk-tech list
and the other things on imc-uk-process.

All the best

Chris


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From: clara <clara at aktivix.org>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:41:23 +0000
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Subject: [Imc-uk-process] meeting notes from the Bradford meeting.

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Dear all,
the following notes were adopted during the meeting.

in solidarity,
clara
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meeting starts at 11:00 with about 18 people

decision accepted at 11:20:
Minute taker is minuting just the decisions that were made, and
consensus is shown by handsigns on each of them.

written on the board at 11:22:
1 Intro > Group agreement
2 What can we achieve as a network?
3 What are strenghts + dificulties
4 What can we do to address there? What might happen to the network?

facilitator at 11:40:
asks how many people will be here on sunday: 7 people will not be there

decision agreed at 11:51:
Decide later (after point 4) what further agenda points to prioritize
and which agenda points can be discussed on sunday?

written on the board:
:)
Respect
Talk about behaviour not individuals
Actively listen
Future focus
Sticking to hand signals
Stay on topic
Take responsibility
Be fair
Let people speak
Stay on topic
:(
Don't sneer, raise voices, interrupt, abusive or prejuidice language,
laugh at people, be agressive.


decision agreed at 12:27:
The list of above is something that we try, but there should be some
kind of accountability if people are not achieving it.

decision at 14:29:
New IMC, domain names, aggregator discussed at this order until 17:00,
then discussion on the network

decision at 16:22:
park discussion about whether and how summarized perspectives go into
the notes

Explanation:
For the purpose of this meeting and these notes GroupA  are the people
have been organizing on the uk-collectives list in the last month. Group
B are other UK collectives.

decision agreed at 18:59:
We accept to archive www.indymdia.org.uk, indymedia.org.uk and
uk.indymedia.org and indymedia.co.uk as static html  with a banner on
top of each page that says along the gist of  "this a archived version
of the site For a active version of this page go to <a.indymedia.org>,
there is also the aggregator at <b.indymedia.org>.
There will be splash page at / that links to the archive site, site
a.indymedia.org and b.indymedia.org
We agree that henceforth noone can call themselve Indymedia UK, UK
network and UK collective anymore.
We agree that it's great that there is a national site, and that goes
through new imc with a different site and name , and others go on with
their projects
For regional sites there is a redirect at the disgression at the
individual  regions
Some subdomains can can stay at the .org.uk domain (These needs to be
listed, e.g.
We set a deadline for the swap.
All page names with mir and open-mir will link to a.indymedia.org
Technical issues, deadline etc to be sorted out afterwards.

decison at 19:06:
All email lists will be archived

decision at 19:07:
We will not worry about docs.indymedia.org

decision at 19:16:
All the tech discussion take place on imc-uk-tech list and all  process
on imc-uk-process lists. Both lists are open for everybody and openly
archievd

decison at 19:18:
Everything has to be done by the first of May, but should be done earlier.

decisions at 20:15:
* ask Mr. D to withdraw the new imc application temproratily to amend it
* announce the decision as a "fork" (as in software develoment) instead
of a "split"
* the server traven goes to group A
* however can get the server strummer back from the cops can keep it
* issue to be discussed on the tech list: servers, wiki pages, hardware
stewardship, domain stewardship, apache rules
* we mutually agree on a anouncement in a few sentences in short time
* issue to be discussed on the process list: splash page content &
banner, domain names, archiving lists, explaining the decision to
others, archiving the mailing lists, notifying global network
* domain name stewardship will be dealt with in a technical manner (e.g.
through a git repository)
* The estimated value of the server traven is deducted from the bank
account and goes to group Band the remainder is split 50/50 between
group A and B. (consented with one stand aside)

decision at 20:16:
group B is having a meeting tomorrow, and will not take decisions that
concern A

decision at 20:17:
no facilitaion will ne needed tomorrow

decison at 20:19:
a photo can be taken of the paper on the floor

decison at 20:28
after the notes were read and amended they were agreed at 20:28 and they
will be send to both imc-uk-tech and imc-uk-process

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